[Eg-oversight-board] Evergreen Project By-Laws
Gagnon, Ron
gagnon at noblenet.org
Mon Apr 9 09:06:32 EDT 2018
I think Tim's suggestion is the way to go -- much as we do now to qualify
to vote. I have concerns about the self-perpetuating concept.
Ron
On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 9:01 AM, Timothy Spindler <tspindler at cwmars.org>
wrote:
> I think the other option might be to make it a membership organization and
> make the bar really low using our current requirements for voting. Maybe,
> organizations can join if:
>
> --Contribute code directly
> --Hire developers to contribute code
> --Staff have reported and/or tested bugs
> --Staff have contributed documentation
> --Staff have served on a recognized committee/group (other than the
> Executive Committee)
>
> In this situation, any member could have staff who vote.
>
>
> <http://www.cwmars.org>
>
> Tim Spindler | Executive Director | CW MARS
>
> tspindler at cwmars.org | 508-755-3323 x120
>
> http://www.cwmars.org
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 8:57 AM, scott.thomas at sparkpa.org <
> scott.thomas at sparkpa.org> wrote:
>
>> If, indeed, we MUST be self-perpetuating (which actually is not apparent
>> from the attorney’s comments) and follow Ruth’s suggestion, I think we
>> should write the election into the By-Laws; e.g.; “The Board will solicit
>> candidates by polling the Evergreen community.” While I have had many good
>> experience with self-perpetuating boards, we always need to guard against
>> insularity.
>>
>>
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* eg-oversight-board [mailto:eg-oversight-board-bou
>> nces at list.evergreen-ils.org] *On Behalf Of *Timothy Spindler
>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 7, 2018 2:48 PM
>> *To:* Ruth Frasur <director at hagerstownlibrary.org>
>> *Cc:* Oversight Board <eg-oversight-board at list.evergreen-ils.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Eg-oversight-board] Evergreen Project By-Laws
>>
>>
>>
>> I think that may be possible
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 12:59 PM Ruth Frasur <
>> director at hagerstownlibrary.org> wrote:
>>
>> Regarding the election, could it be such that we continue holding the
>> elections as is, and then do an "official" vote whereby the sitting board
>> elects the new members based on the vote of the community?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Timothy Spindler <tspindler at cwmars.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Oy vey, here they all are
>>
>> 1. Do the board members have to be 1 year? We currently have 3 year
>> staggered terms.
>>
>> Yes, we can do staggered 3 year terms. Let me know what the current
>> terms are for each director and I can make the change.
>> 2. Section 3.3 - is it essentially saying that the Board will elect
>> the Board members? We found the language a little confusing.
>>
>> It is correct that the Board elects itself. If the corporation
>> doesn’t have “members”, which Evergreen did not want, then the board elects
>> itself as a nonprofit has no shareholders. It does seem unusual, but the
>> self-perpetuating board is how many nonprofits function. MOBIUS is
>> different as it has members.
>> 3. Section 3.3 has "Directors participating maysimu ltaneously hear
>> each other during the meeting." Does this mean it has to be auditory (eg.
>> Phone, Web Conferencing, or in person) or can we use IRC? Would all votes
>> be invalid in IRC?
>>
>> This is what we discussed in our conference call. For the one,
>> official meeting that the board has each year, everyone has to be “present”
>> and able to hear each other at the same time. This is a statutory
>> requirement in Missouri (and most states). This meeting could be
>> accomplished at the annual convention with anyone unable to attend in
>> person calling in. For that official meeting, it cannot be done via chat
>> room. Other, unofficial meetings can be held via the chat room. However,
>> any “votes” should be memorialized in a separate, written resolution signed
>> by the board of directors.
>> 4. Our current rules of governance has a purpose and responsibility
>> section, can we include something like this in Article I?
>>
>> We can add these provisions into the bylaws. Please send over what
>> Evergreen would like incorporated.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <http://www.cwmars.org>
>>
>> Tim Spindler | Executive Director | CW MARS
>>
>> tspindler at cwmars.org | 508-755-3323 x120
>>
>> http://www.cwmars.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 12:55 PM, Timothy Spindler <tspindler at cwmars.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I hit send too soon
>>
>> 1. Do the board members have to be 1 year? We currently have 3 year
>> staggered terms.
>>
>> Yes, we can do staggered 3 year terms. Let me know what the current
>> terms are for each director and I can make the change.
>> 2. Section 3.3 - is it essentially saying that the Board will elect
>> the Board members? We found the language a little confusing.
>>
>> It is correct that the Board elects itself. If the corporation
>> doesn’t have “members”, which Evergreen did not want, then the board elects
>> itself as a nonprofit has no shareholders. It does seem unusual, but the
>> self-perpetuating board is how many nonprofits function. MOBIUS is
>> different as it has members.
>> 3. Section 3.3 has "Directors participating maysimu ltaneously hear
>> each other during the meeting." Does this mean it has to be auditory (eg.
>> Phone, Web Conferencing, or in person) or can we use IRC? Would all votes
>> be invalid in IRC?
>>
>> This is what we discussed in our conference call. For the one,
>> official meeting that the board has each year, everyone has to be “present”
>> and able to hear each other at the same time. This is a statutory
>> requirement in Missouri (and most states). This meeting could be
>> accomplished at the annual convention with anyone unable to attend in
>> person calling in. For that official meeting, it cannot be done via chat
>> room. Other, unofficial meetings can be held via the chat room. However,
>> any “votes” should be memorialized in a separate, written resolution signed
>> by the board of directors.
>> 4. Our current rules of governance has a purpose and responsibility
>> section, can we include something like this in Article I?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <http://www.cwmars.org>
>>
>> Tim Spindler | Executive Director | CW MARS
>>
>> tspindler at cwmars.org | 508-755-3323 x120
>>
>> http://www.cwmars.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 12:52 PM, Timothy Spindler <tspindler at cwmars.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I asked Donn the following questions based on the feedback so far. Here
>> are the responses.
>>
>> 1. Do the board members have to be 1 year? We currently have 3 year
>> staggered terms.
>>
>> Yes, we can do staggered 3 year terms. Let me know what the current
>> terms are for each director and I can make the change.
>> 2. Section 3.3 - is it essentially saying that the Board will elect
>> the Board members? We found the language a little confusing.
>> 3. Section 3.3 has "Directors participating maysimu ltaneously hear
>> each other during the meeting." Does this mean it has to be auditory (eg.
>> Phone, Web Conferencing, or in person) or can we use IRC? Would all votes
>> be invalid in IRC?
>> 4. Our current rules of governance has a purpose and responsibility
>> section, can we include something like this in Article I?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <http://www.cwmars.org>
>>
>> Tim Spindler | Executive Director | CW MARS
>>
>> tspindler at cwmars.org | 508-755-3323 x120
>>
>> http://www.cwmars.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>> Library
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>>
>> <http://www.cwmars.org>
>>
>> Tim Spindler | Executive Director | CW MARS
>>
>> tspindler at cwmars.org | 508-755-3323 x120
>>
>> http://www.cwmars.org
>>
>>
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