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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Stephen,<br>
      <br>
      I've given some thought to points 2 and 3 in your e-mail and would
      like to offer some of my feedback to help kick off this
      discussion.
      On 7/18/2013 1:47 PM, Elfstrand, Stephen F wrote:<br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> I
            move that the EOB appoint release managers after receiving a
            recommendation from the developer community<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This
            will allow the oversight board some input into the
            prioritization of activities surrounding a release
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">eg
            is the documentation for both and installers / upgraders and
            end users acceptable, Do the upgrade scripts work correctly?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              </span>ii.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Are
            the priorities set by the EOB being implemented in the
            release (ie. are quality & performance issues being
            addressed)</span></p>
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    <br>
    I'm not in favor of an EOB appointment for the release manager for
    the following reasons. <br>
    <br>
    * During the most recent RM-selection process, only one person
    submitted his name as a candidate for the position. I don't see how
    changing the appointing authority would make any perceived
    improvements to the release process when there isn't a large
    contingent of developers chomping at the bit to take on the job. <br>
    <br>
    * The most recent selection process was wide open, allowing input
    from anyone who was willing to post to the Evergreen developer's
    list or to attend the May 1 IRC meeting. My hope is that Oversight
    Board members who feel strongly about release priorities would
    participate in those meetings. Those meetings are open to the entire
    community. In looking at the log from that meeting (<a
href="http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2013/evergreen.2013-05-01-13.00.log.html">http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2013/evergreen.2013-05-01-13.00.log.html</a>),
    although most of the people who voted for the RM were the core
    committers, I see that others in the community also voted, including
    me. As far as I know, there is nothing that would stop an Oversight
    Board member from also voting or providing input if the same process
    is followed for the next release.<br>
    <br>
    * Galen has started inviting the Release Manager to EOB meetings,
    and I think it would be a good idea for future EOB chairs to
    continue this practice. If an EOB member has a concern about the
    release process, I think this is an excellent opportunity to raise
    those concerns. <br>
    <br>
    * I'm not sure the RM sure be responsible for making sure that
    end-user documentation is complete in time for the release. Perhaps
    that should fall into my realm as the DIG release coordinator. <br>
    <br>
    However, I would like to point out that, although the documentation
    is still catching up with the features, I think there has been a lot
    of improvement in release-time documentation, especially since
    Equinox started requiring customers to include documentation in
    their development contracts. We have a list of 2.4 features needing
    documentation at <a
href="http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:2.4_needs">http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:2.4_needs</a>
    that I just updated by adding a "Complete" label for everything that
    has been contributed to the official doc repository. Sure, we don't
    have everything documented yet, but it's come a long way from the
    days of 2.0 where there was little documentation for new features. 
    We could probably finish it off in a few weeks with the support of a
    couple of additional contributors who are willing to take on some of
    the unassigned items. Or, we could make a lot of progress in
    clearing out the backlog if more institutions did what Berklee
    College of Music did by asking college interns to upgrade older docs
    to the new Asciidoc format.<br>
    <br>
    Moving on to your second priority, I think you can get more
    information about quality & performance issues by reading the
    two most recent blog posts at <a href="http://blog.esilibrary.com/">http://blog.esilibrary.com/</a>
    or my recent e-mail to the general list about the MassLNC-sponsored
    performance evaluation <a
      href="http://markmail.org/message/6yzorevfs6xtnn2u">http://markmail.org/message/6yzorevfs6xtnn2u</a>.
    In other words, many of these concerns are already being addressed,
    not because the RM made it a priority, but because the community
    made it a priority by contributing staff time, money, and other
    resources to make it happen. I'm not saying that the EOB shouldn't
    be involved in pushing these very important priorities, but I don't
    think appointing the release manager is the way to make it happen.<br>
    <br>
    * I don't necessarily feel qualified to decide who the best release
    manager is. I have a lot of thoughts on the communication I would
    like to see from a release manager, but there are many things a
    release manager does that I just don't understand. Even with the
    recommendation from the developers, I would be concerned that this
    change could potentially lead to a situation where the EOB appoints
    somebody who does not work well with the developer community, which
    would lead to a dysfunctional release cycle.<br>
    <br>
    In short, I would say there are plenty of opportunities for EOB
    members and other community members to communicate their concerns to
    the Release Manager without taking a step that will probably cause
    discord in the community while yielding very little benefit.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:A6F80436F9D3C049880E258CDD233069BAA944C1@DB5.Campus.mnsu.edu"
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            move that a membership fee structure be introduced proceed
            of which would be under the control of the EOB<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This
            will allow the EOB to sponsor strategic development even if
            it doesn’t meet immediate needs of current users to meet the
            challenge posed by “Next Gen” Library systems<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Better,
            faster, mobile-friendly OPAC
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Resouce
            sharing and NCIP development<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Improvements
            to Administration like allowing the customization of facets
            from the staff client<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">A
            better reports interface<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Improvements
            to the Evergreen web site (what ever happened to the
            Drupal-based prototype?</span></p>
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    </blockquote>
    <br>
    I agree that the EOB should try to identify and support strategic
    development (not sure I agree that all of the listed projects fall
    into that category), and we need a good way to identify which
    projects should be our focus. I agree that development sponsors by
    local groups can often overlook long-term, strategic goals for the
    system (I know MassLNC can partially fall into the blame camp for
    that), but I think it's incorrect to assume that we never meet
    strategic goals with some of these projects. The recent acquisitions
    work funded by SC LENDs, SITKA, Bibliomation and MassLNC is an
    example of Evergreen sites coming together to work in an area that
    was a high priority for the community. My hope was that we could
    have gone further with that project to make the necessary speed
    improvements for screen loading time, but, unfortunately, we weren't
    able to get additional partners for that work when we sent out plea
    for help in January. However, acquisitions is certainly in a better
    state than where it was during the 2012 Evergreen conference. MVLC
    is working on NCIP development, so I do see that people are making
    strategic development happen without waiting for a membership fee to
    be assessed.<br>
    <br>
    I have to admit that, at first glance, I don't like the idea of a
    membership fee structure. However, since we are already having
    conversations about fundraising and grant writing, I think it's
    appropriate to have this discussion in the larger community
    channels. If such a discussion were to happen, I hope the following
    questions are addressed:<br>
    <br>
    1. Who is assessed with a membership fee? Is it assessed for every
    site that runs Evergreen or is it a fee that must be paid to be a
    voting member of the community? MassLNC does not run Evergreen, but
    works with three consortia that do run Evergreen, and I would want
    to make sure that those three consortia are not "double charged" by
    paying their own membership fees along with a fee for MassLNC.<br>
    <br>
    2. Is there any kind of credit given to organizations that are
    already contributing heavily to the future of Evergreen? For
    example, organizations that have already allocated thousands of
    dollars per year to develop Evergreen. What about those
    organizations, like MVLC, that have donated hours of staff time to
    contributing code to the software, including that NCIP code that was
    cited as a strategic development need? Do they get credit for all of
    their code contributions or just the ones that meet the definition
    of strategic? If this membership fee helps to support documentation,
    can we receive credit for the hours we put into creating docs? <br>
    <br>
    I don't really want to speak on behalf on my consortia because I
    haven't discussed this issue with them yet. However, if there is a
    membership fee established, I can imagine some of their board
    members balking at the idea of paying an additional fee when they
    feel like they already have made substantial contributions to the
    project.<br>
    <br>
    3. The above were more practical questions, but here's a
    philosophical question. If we are assessing this membership fee on
    all sites running Evergreen or for those that are voting members of
    the community, what does open source mean in the Evergreen context?
    Yes, I know the code is still open, but I would be concerned about
    setting a precedent that you have to pay to run Evergreen or to be a
    voting community member. How does the membership fee differ from the
    proprietary licensing fees that were theoretically used for
    improvements decided by the majority will of a user group? This
    model was one that the MassLNC consortia wanted to move away from,
    and I would want to make sure we aren't recreating a similar
    structure in the Evergreen community.<br>
    <br>
    Just my two cents. I would be interested to hear what others think.<br>
    <br>
    Kathy<br>
    <br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Stephen
            Elfstrand<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
            <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:eg-oversight-board-bounces@list.evergreen-ils.org">eg-oversight-board-bounces@list.evergreen-ils.org</a>
            [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:eg-oversight-board-bounces@list.evergreen-ils.org">mailto:eg-oversight-board-bounces@list.evergreen-ils.org</a>]
            <b>On Behalf Of </b>Galen Charlton<br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 17, 2013 5:31 PM<br>
            <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:eg-oversight-board@list.evergreen-ils.org">eg-oversight-board@list.evergreen-ils.org</a><br>
            <b>Subject:</b> [Eg-oversight-board] EOB meeting, Thursday,
            18 July 2013, 2-3 p.m. EDT<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Hi,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">The
                next Evergreen <span style="background:#FFFFCC">Oversight</span> <span
                  style="background:#FFFFCC">Board</span> meeting is
                scheduled for tomorrow<br>
                from 2 to 3 p.m. EDT and will take place on the
                #evergreen IRC channel.<br>
                <br>
                The agenda is:<br>
                <br>
                1. Financial Report (Galen)<br>
                2. Evergreen 2014 Conference Committee Report (Kathy)<br>
                3. Follow-up on support company listing<br>
                4. Grants and fundraising (Rogan)<br>
                <br>
              </span><span
                style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">If
                there are any other items you wish to add to the agenda,
                please let me know.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><br>
              </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Regards,<br>
              </span><br>
              Galen<br>
              -- <o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Galen Charlton<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Manager of Implementation<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open
                  Source Experts<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">email:  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:gmc@esilibrary.com" target="_blank">gmc@esilibrary.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">direct: +1 770-709-5581<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">cell:   +1 404-984-4366<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">skype:  gmcharlt<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">web:    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://www.esilibrary.com/" target="_blank">http://www.esilibrary.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Supporting Koha and Evergreen: <a
                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://koha-community.org" target="_blank">
                    http://koha-community.org</a> & <a
                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://evergreen-ils.org" target="_blank">
                    http://evergreen-ils.org</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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