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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi all,<br>
      <br>
      I had a meeting with the event coordinator at the hotel yesterday,
      and it turns out the Wednesday night event that forced us out of
      the meeting rooms at 5 p.m. ultimately fell through. So let's go
      back to planning for a Wednesday, 4:30 p.m. meeting in Salons 5-7
      (the location of the DIG hackfest). It will ensure that everyone
      is wide awake, will give us ample time for discussion, and won't
      conflict with other conference activities.<br>
      <br>
      Kathy<br>
      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Kathy Lussier
Project Coordinator
Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative
(508) 343-0128
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:klussier@masslnc.org">klussier@masslnc.org</a>
Twitter: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier">http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier</a>
</pre>
      On 3/5/2014 11:28 AM, Rogan Hamby wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAMwaE4KWDTO=YK6REpXvLFvcFL=10us+P6KBa8C8LdPvnrYsiQ@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">I think it would be worth sitting down to review
        the tools at our disposal but also discuss what our
        responsibilities are and what we think they should be.  And I
        want to applaud you for starting to think to the future on this
        Elizabeth.  I think this might be worth a sit around the table
        conversation for quicker back and forth but I'll give some
        additional thoughts here.  Not all are direct responses to what
        you brought up Elizabeth but follow down a few corollary paths.
         
        <div>
          <br>
        </div>
        <div>We have the Evergreen trademark.  That means that code
          can't be forked and called Evergreen in any way shape or form.
           </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>We have the GPL so we can force access to the code and
          expand on it if it's re-distributed.  </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Both of those things protect Evergreen but don't prevent
          someone from creating a new thing out of it.  It would be
          entirely within someone's rights to take Evergreen and build a
          whole new incompatible ILS out of it, stripping what they
          don't like and calling it Bonsai.  I don't have a problem with
          that, that's part of the intention of the GPL is to enable
          such things.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Now, I do have a personal issue if a library were to do
          that and use it for their library and not republish the code.
           It's legal but I think it's wrong.  But all I can do is as an
          individual, express my personal opinion as to the wrongness of
          the action.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Now, could we have stopped this?  Let's imagine that the
          Bonsai library was an Evergreen library first before they
          forked the code.  I'm not in favor of trying to extend our
          legal rights to make additional requirements of Evergreen code
          users.  We start moving away from the GPL there and if we even
          begin thinking about such things we need Tony here for every
          step of that discussion.  I'll probably oppose it pretty
          strongly as well.  With that said, unless we did that there's
          nothing we could force.  </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Could we encourage, could we take a more active role, could
          we try to set a standard, maybe make some voluntary to sign
          community policies that foster the kind of community we want?
           I think that's a discussion very much worth having.  I think
          this is more of what you were asking Elizabeth and how I took
          your email but correct me if I'm wrong.</div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:39 AM,
          McKinney, Elizabeth <span dir="ltr"><<a
              moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:emckinney@georgialibraries.org"
              target="_blank">emckinney@georgialibraries.org</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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              <div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman,new
                york,times,serif">Hi Ben, <br>
                <br>
                I am not proposing anything at this point other than
                discussion of the Board's role given that we are now
                seeing what appears to be the first fork.  Yes, we need
                to consider the health of the community and protecting
                our assets.  <br>
                <br>
                Is/was there something we can/could have done as a board
                to keep KCLS as a community member and partner in
                development? Do we want to take an active role in these
                types of community situations?  Since the Board works
                directly with the SFC to deal with
                copyright/licensing/trademark, we also need to have that
                discussion. If a fracture occurs, what do we need to do
                as the board to protect the assets of the community? <br>
                <div class=""><br>
                  <div><span name="x"></span>Elizabeth McKinney <br>
                    PINES Program Director <br>
                    Georgia Public Library Service <br>
                    A Unit of the University System of Georgia<br>
                    1800 Century Place, Suite 150<br>
                    Atlanta GA 30345<br>
                    <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:404.235.7141"
                      value="+14042357141" target="_blank">404.235.7141</a><br>
                    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:emckinney@georgialibraries.org"
                      target="_blank">emckinney@georgialibraries.org</a><br>
                    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="http://www.georgialibraries.org/"
                      target="_blank">http://www.georgialibraries.org/</a><br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    <span name="x"></span><br>
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                <div
style="font-size:12pt;font-style:normal;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;text-decoration:none;font-weight:normal"><b>From:
                  </b>"Ben Hyman" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:ben.hyman@bc.libraries.coop"
                    target="_blank">ben.hyman@bc.libraries.coop</a>><br>
                  <b>To: </b>"Elizabeth McKinney" <<a
                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:emckinney@georgialibraries.org"
                    target="_blank">emckinney@georgialibraries.org</a>><br>
                  <b>Cc: </b>"Rogan Hamby" <<a
                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:rogan.hamby@gmail.com" target="_blank">rogan.hamby@gmail.com</a>>,
                  "Oversight Board" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:eg-oversight-board@list.evergreen-ils.org"
                    target="_blank">eg-oversight-board@list.evergreen-ils.org</a>><br>
                  <b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, March 4, 2014 11:24:18 AM
                  <div>
                    <div class="h5"><br>
                      <b>Subject: </b>Re: [Eg-oversight-board] EOB
                      meeting at the conference<br>
                      <br>
                      Hi Elizabeth,<br>
                      <br>
                      I'm interested to hear more about what are you
                      proposing. The health of the Evergreen community
                      is common cause - by celebrating shared successes
                      and creating an environment for more successes,
                      don't we all win? Seems to me the board's efforts
                      on the resource allocator summit, merchandising
                      initiatives and others came about with these
                      objectives in mind. Did you have other pragmatic
                      ideas? <br>
                      <br>
                      Cheers <br>
                      <br>
                      Ben Hyman <br>
                      Executive Director | BC Libraries Cooperative<br>
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                        href="mailto:ben.hyman@bc.libraries.coop"
                        target="_blank">ben.hyman@bc.libraries.coop</a>
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                        ext 1001</a> | cell: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="tel:250.889.2738" value="+12508892738"
                        target="_blank">250.889.2738</a><br>
                      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://bc.libraries.coop" target="_blank">bc.libraries.coop</a>
                      | Twitter: @BCLibrariesCoop<br>
                      <br>
                      On 2014-03-04, at 7:20 AM, McKinney, Elizabeth
                      wrote:<br>
                      <br>
                      > Rogan and all, <br>
                      > <br>
                      > More than code and licenses, I think the EOB
                      needs to consider if it will take on a role
                      addressing fractures in the community.  And if so,
                      how?<br>
                      > <br>
                      > Elizabeth<br>
                      > <br>
                      > Elizabeth McKinney <br>
                      > PINES Program Director <br>
                      > Georgia Public Library Service <br>
                      > A Unit of the University System of Georgia<br>
                      > 1800 Century Place, Suite 150<br>
                      > Atlanta GA 30345<br>
                      > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="tel:404.235.7141" value="+14042357141"
                        target="_blank">404.235.7141</a><br>
                      > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:emckinney@georgialibraries.org"
                        target="_blank">emckinney@georgialibraries.org</a><br>
                      > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://www.georgialibraries.org/"
                        target="_blank">http://www.georgialibraries.org/</a><br>
                      > <br>
                      > <br>
                      > <br>
                      > <br>
                      > <br>
                      > From: "Rogan Hamby" <<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:rogan.hamby@gmail.com"
                        target="_blank">rogan.hamby@gmail.com</a>><br>
                      > To: "Elizabeth McKinney" <<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:emckinney@georgialibraries.org"
                        target="_blank">emckinney@georgialibraries.org</a>><br>
                      > Cc: "Galen Charlton" <<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:gmc@esilibrary.com" target="_blank">gmc@esilibrary.com</a>>,
                      "Oversight Board" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:eg-oversight-board@list.evergreen-ils.org"
                        target="_blank">eg-oversight-board@list.evergreen-ils.org</a>><br>
                      > Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 10:00:05 AM<br>
                      > Subject: Re: [Eg-oversight-board] EOB meeting
                      at the conference<br>
                      > <br>
                      > Has the code they have produced been publicly
                      released?  I'll be honest, without a public
                      release of their changes I don't feel confidant in
                      any description of their efforts as a fork, spork
                      or anything else.  I've several times asked for
                      them to share their work with the community and
                      essentially been told that it's not the kind of
                      thing that translates, it's a case by case
                      optimization.  That's pretty vague and not
                      disputable from the outside. <br>
                      > <br>
                      > Evergreen is released under the GPL which
                      doesn't require that changes be distributed, only
                      that if they are that they are distributed under
                      certain terms.  In fact, in a sense, the GPL is
                      permission to fork.<br>
                      > <br>
                      > <br>
                      > <br>
                      > <br>
                      > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:52 AM, McKinney,
                      Elizabeth <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:emckinney@georgialibraries.org"
                        target="_blank">emckinney@georgialibraries.org</a>>
                      wrote:<br>
                      > Galen and all, <br>
                      > <br>
                      > I would like to add an agenda item to the
                      upcoming EOB meeting.  While I know that we will
                      need to develop our agenda for the community
                      update, we as a group should consider how to
                      handle forks in the Evergreen code. <br>
                      > <br>
                      > From the KCLS Director's Report, February
                      2013 :<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.kcls.org/about/board/2013/02262013/directorsreport.pdf"
                        target="_blank">https://www.kcls.org/about/board/2013/02262013/directorsreport.pdf</a><br>
                      > In light of what appears to be a fork in the
                      code, that brings up a few questions for
                      discussion: <br>
                      > <br>
                      > Does the EOB have a role in attempting to
                      prevent forks in the code? <br>
                      > Should the EOB chair convene a group to
                      contact and work with anyone intending to fork? <br>
                      > If a fork occurs, should we monitor the
                      situation for cases of copyright/trademark
                      infringement? We would assume they would
                      contribute their code back to the community or
                      change the name of their product. <br>
                      > <br>
                      > Elizabeth<br>
                      > <br>
                      > <br>
                      > <br>
                      > Elizabeth McKinney <br>
                      > PINES Program Director <br>
                      > Georgia Public Library Service <br>
                      > A Unit of the University System of Georgia<br>
                      > 1800 Century Place, Suite 150<br>
                      > Atlanta GA 30345<br>
                      > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="tel:404.235.7141" value="+14042357141"
                        target="_blank">404.235.7141</a><br>
                      > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:emckinney@georgialibraries.org"
                        target="_blank">emckinney@georgialibraries.org</a><br>
                      > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://www.georgialibraries.org/"
                        target="_blank">http://www.georgialibraries.org/</a><br>
                      > <br>
                      > <br>
                      > <br>
                      > <br>
                      > <br>
                      > From: "Galen Charlton" <<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:gmc@esilibrary.com" target="_blank">gmc@esilibrary.com</a>><br>
                      > To: "Kathy Lussier" <<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:klussier@masslnc.org"
                        target="_blank">klussier@masslnc.org</a>><br>
                      > Cc: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:eg-oversight-board@list.evergreen-ils.org"
                        target="_blank">eg-oversight-board@list.evergreen-ils.org</a><br>
                      > Sent: Monday, March 3, 2014 4:56:17 PM<br>
                      > Subject: Re: [Eg-oversight-board] EOB meeting
                      at the conference<br>
                      > <br>
                      > <br>
                      > Hi,<br>
                      > <br>
                      > 7:30 a.m. on Thursday is fine with me, as is
                      doing it at lunch.<br>
                      > <br>
                      > Regards,<br>
                      > <br>
                      > Galen<br>
                      > <br>
                      > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Kathy
                      Lussier <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:klussier@masslnc.org"
                        target="_blank">klussier@masslnc.org</a>>
                      wrote:<br>
                      > > Sorry folks. I wasn't thinking clearly
                      when I wrote this last e-mail (or the<br>
                      > > first one for that matter).<br>
                      > ><br>
                      > > Our conference meeting space is only
                      available until 5 p.m. Wednesday. We<br>
                      > > would need to start at 4 p.m. to get in
                      an hour-long meeting, and I do think<br>
                      > > that several Board members will be
                      running late as they wrap up with their<br>
                      > > the reports tutorials and the hackfests.<br>
                      > ><br>
                      > > I had originally suggested 8 a.m.
                      Thursday as an alternative. However, I now<br>
                      > > realize that this time isn't ideal for
                      me. As we get closer to 9 a.m.,  I<br>
                      > > will need to prepare to get things lined
                      up for our morning programming.<br>
                      > > Dare I say 7:30 a.m. on Thursday?<br>
                      > ><br>
                      > > The only other options I see are 1)
                      lunchtime Thursday, which I'm guessing<br>
                      > > will be problematic for Yamil, who is
                      coordinating the Lunch-Arounds and<br>
                      > > 2)Thursday afternoon, which will
                      conflict with the vendor reception.<br>
                      > ><br>
                      > > My apologies in advance to those who are
                      traveling from the West Coast and<br>
                      > > those who just aren't usually awake that
                      early in the morning.<br>
                      > ><br>
                      > ><br>
                      > > Kathy<br>
                      > ><br>
                      > > Kathy Lussier<br>
                      > > Project Coordinator<br>
                      > > Massachusetts Library Network
                      Cooperative<br>
                      > > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="tel:%28508%29%20343-0128"
                        value="+15083430128" target="_blank">(508)
                        343-0128</a><br>
                      > > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:klussier@masslnc.org"
                        target="_blank">klussier@masslnc.org</a><br>
                      > > Twitter: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier"
                        target="_blank">http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier</a><br>
                      > ><br>
                      > > On 3/3/2014 2:27 PM, Kathy Lussier
                      wrote:<br>
                      > >><br>
                      > >> We also could probably push it back
                      to 4:30 since others on the Board will<br>
                      > >> most likely be finishing up with
                      their respective hackfests at 4 p.m., if<br>
                      > >> they aren't attending the reports
                      tutorial.<br>
                      > >><br>
                      > >> Kathy<br>
                      > >><br>
                      > >> Kathy Lussier<br>
                      > >> Project Coordinator<br>
                      > >> Massachusetts Library Network
                      Cooperative<br>
                      > >> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="tel:%28508%29%20343-0128"
                        value="+15083430128" target="_blank">(508)
                        343-0128</a><br>
                      > >> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:klussier@masslnc.org"
                        target="_blank">klussier@masslnc.org</a><br>
                      > >> Twitter: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier"
                        target="_blank">http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier</a><br>
                      > >><br>
                      > >> On 3/3/2014 2:16 PM, Chauncey
                      Montgomery wrote:<br>
                      > >>><br>
                      > >>> Kathy,<br>
                      > >>> I'll be doing a tutorial on
                      reports until 4pm on Wednesday, but if the<br>
                      > >>> Wednesday time works for
                      everyone else, I could just be a little late to
                      the<br>
                      > >>> meeting.<br>
                      > >>> CM<br>
                      > >>><br>
                      > >>> Chauncey G. Montgomery, MLIS<br>
                      > >>> Director/Fiscal Officer |
                      Community Library<br>
                      > >>> 44 Burrer Drive | Sunbury, OH
                      43074<br>
                      > >>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="tel:740-965-3901" value="+17409653901"
                        target="_blank">740-965-3901</a> | <a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://community.lib.oh.us"
                        target="_blank">http://community.lib.oh.us</a><br>
                      > >>><br>
                      > >>> On 02/28/2014 05:10 PM, Kathy
                      Lussier wrote:<br>
                      > >>>><br>
                      > >>>> Hi all,<br>
                      > >>>><br>
                      > >>>> Following up from our
                      meeting yesterday, we do have space available at<br>
                      > >>>> the conference for an EOB
                      meeting. What time do people want to meet<br>
                      > >>>> during the conference? In
                      prior years, we've tried not to meet at a time<br>
                      > >>>> when programming is
                      happening. The EOB update will be on Friday
                      morning<br>
                      > >>>> this year, so we may want to
                      meet before Friday.<br>
                      > >>>><br>
                      > >>>> Since I'm guessing most EOB
                      members will be around for the resource<br>
                      > >>>> allocator summit, will a
                      Wednesday afternoon meeting around 4 p.m. work<br>
                      > >>>> for people? Another
                      possibility is 8 a.m. on Thursday. The reception
                      is<br>
                      > >>>> Thursday at 5p.m., so I
                      don't think we want to meet then.<br>
                      > >>>><br>
                      > >>>> Kathy<br>
                      > >>>><br>
                      > >>><br>
                      > >><br>
                      > >>
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