<div dir="ltr">Option #1 for me as well.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Terran McCanna <br>PINES Program Manager <br>Georgia Public Library Service <br>1800 Century Place, Suite 150 <br>Atlanta, GA 30345 <br>404-235-7138 <br><a href="mailto:tmccanna@georgialibraries.org" target="_blank">tmccanna@georgialibraries.org</a> <br><br></div></div></div>
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<b>To:</b> Timothy Spindler; Mike Rylander<br>
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<p class="m_1459422407851733783x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> I would opt for #1. The goal here is to ensure community participation in board selection. Changing the entire organization to membership seems, to me,
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function. MOBIUS is different as it has members.</span></li><li class="m_1459422407851733783x_MsoNormal" style="color:#1f497d;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span class="m_1459422407851733783x_m1900857737265073251m8862316413252352819m-3139192591191206325gmail-im"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Section 3.3 has "Directors participating
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Yes, we can do staggered 3 year terms. Let me know what the current terms are for each director and I can make the change.</span></li><li class="m_1459422407851733783x_MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Section 3.3 - is it essentially saying that the Board will elect the Board members? We found the language a little confusing.<br>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">It is correct that the Board elects itself. If the corporation doesn’t have “members”, which Evergreen did not want, then the board elects itself as a nonprofit has no shareholders.
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time. This is a statutory requirement in Missouri (and most states). This meeting could be accomplished at the annual convention with anyone unable to attend in person calling in. For that official meeting, it cannot be done via chat room. Other, unofficial
meetings can be held via the chat room. However, any “votes” should be memorialized in a separate, written resolution signed by the board of directors.</span></li><li class="m_1459422407851733783x_MsoNormal">Our current rules of governance has a purpose and responsibility section, can we include something like this in Article I?</li></ol>
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