[Evergreen-catalogers] RDA search formats

Tue Nov 14 11:05:06 EST 2017

We are also interested in how to get new icons into the OPAC.

From: Evergreen-catalogers <evergreen-catalogers-bounces at list.evergreen-ils.org> on behalf of Mary Llewellyn <mllewell at biblio.org>
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Date: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 11:02 AM
To: Evergreen Community Catalogers <evergreen-catalogers at list.evergreen-ils.org>
Subject: Re: [Evergreen-catalogers] RDA search formats

We've done likewise for the coding, but didn't manage a new icon. I'd love to know how to get new icons and put them into place.
We've also made sure that all our downloadable ebooks/audiobooks/etc. get coded as "o". So many of the vendor files use "s" so we change them before loading, so our indexes for those format searches are not muddied with whatever "s" should be assigned to.

On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 9:06 AM, Elaine Hardy <ehardy at georgialibraries.org<mailto:ehardy at georgialibraries.org>> wrote:
We created an icon to use for playaways -- see https://gapines.org/eg/opac/record/5000978?query=playaways;qtype=keyword;locg=1;detail_record_view=0

First we made sure that all playaways had the current Form (008/23) q (Direct electronic. Storage on a directly accessible tangible recording medium, e.g. disc, tape, Playaway device, flashdrive, portable hard drive, etc.) along with the appropriate Type (Leader/06). You will most likely find some with old or incorrect codes for Form -- blank, o, or s.

J. Elaine Hardy
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On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 8:00 AM, Jonathan Furr <furrjt at forsyth.cc<mailto:furrjt at forsyth.cc>> wrote:
+1 - on the need for conjunction between fixed fields and 33x tags

I also like Sarah's idea about using the 347$b for the MP3 vs. Playaway distinction issue.  That might work.

Best,

Jonathan Furr
Technical Services
Forsyth County Public Library
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On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Jennifer Weston <Jennifer.Weston at davidsoncountync.gov<mailto:Jennifer.Weston at davidsoncountync.gov>> wrote:
+1 – I agree that the RDA fields can currently only be used in conjunction with codes in 008 and 007/006.  I do think it is great that we are having this conversation.  The RDA fields are powerful but they can’t stand on their own (yet) because we do find ourselves describing multiple content/media/carrier types on the same record sometimes.

Janet asks a question that draws attention to what makes this “hybrid” cataloging world so interesting.  I am not aware of a code that identifies a MP3 but I do include a digital file characteristic on the 347‡b to add MP3 as the audio encoding format.  At least, this is an authorized term from RDA 3.19.3.3.  Trying to use a subfield may not be effective or efficient (or possible) for filtering but it is there.

Best,

Jennifer

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Subject: Re: [Evergreen-catalogers] RDA search formats

+1.

These fields can only be used in conjunction with codes in the 008 and 007/006 fields.

While on this topic, I'd like to know if anyone has created a format filter for MP3 CD audiobooks. The 007 field code for SMD is the same as regular CDs. Is there some other code(s) I could use?

Thanks,
Janet

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 1:30 PM, Elaine Hardy <ehardy at georgialibraries.org<mailto:ehardy at georgialibraries.org>> wrote:
+1

J. Elaine Hardy
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Georgia Public Library Service/PINES
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Atlanta, GA 30045
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On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Jane Sandberg <sandbej at linnbenton.edu<mailto:sandbej at linnbenton.edu>> wrote:
I'd actually hesitate at this proposal, since the 33x terms don't
really make a lot of distinctions that patrons would find helpful, for
example:

* Large type vs. standard type have the same 33x
* DVD vs. Blu-ray have the same 33x
* These fields are all repeatable.  Sometimes those combinations can
mean that there are multiple parts, sometimes it means that several
formats are incorporated into a single object.  For example, 336$atext
and 336$images could mean a picture book, a graphic novel, a book of
photographs with captions, an archival collection that includes both
pamphlets and paintings, etc.

I think that having 33x terms in the mix of
what-fields-cause-which-icons is great.  I don't think that they
should ever be used without other MARC fields to determine what icons
display.

On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Elaine Hardy
<ehardy at georgialibraries.org<mailto:ehardy at georgialibraries.org>> wrote:
> LC has handy tables that link the RDA terms in the MARC 33x fields to the
> 007 field codes : 007/01 (for 338), Leader/06 codes (for 336) and 007/00
> (for 337). See http://www.loc.gov/standards/valuelist/index.html. So, for
> those search filters (and icons) that utilize those 007 codes, if a bib
> record has the 33x fields, those terms and codes could be used instead.
>
> To further specify icons, the 007 field will still need to be used to
> distinguish formats for videorecordings (007/04)
>
>
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> J. Elaine Hardy
> PINES & Collaborative Projects Manager
> Georgia Public Library Service/PINES
> 1800 Century Place, Ste. 150
> Atlanta, GA 30045
>
> 404.235.7128<tel:(404)%20235-7128> Office
> 404.548.4241<tel:(404)%20548-4241> Cell
> 404.235.7201<tel:(404)%20235-7201> FAX
>
> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 9:17 AM, Rogan Hamby <rhamby at equinoxinitiative.org<mailto:rhamby at equinoxinitiative.org>>
> wrote:
>>
>> Good morning.
>>
>> I've started looking at how we can resolve RDA 336/337/338 tags for search
>> formats.  There has already been community discussion here:
>>
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1125621
>>
>> The good news is that we (the Evergreen 'we') already have that data
>> pulled into the database so the next step is to use it.
>>
>> Before the code is written though I think there are some points for the
>> larger community.  The big picture questions are - What combinations should
>> map to existing search formats and which might need new ones?  Also, a
>> logistic question - When new ones are needed where will the icons come from?
>> (I can probably make them if need be.)
>>
>> Additionally, a working practice question.  My instinct (and I think that
>> of many) is to say the code should basically check to see if there are RDA
>> values and if so use those and fall back to AACR2.  Are there scenarios in
>> practice when both should be used?  Following that up, if they do exist are
>> these common enough / follow standards to any degree that we should worry
>> about them or are they edge cases?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Rogan Hamby
>>
>> Data and Project Analyst
>>
>> Equinox Open Library Initiative
>>
>> phone:  1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457)
>>
>> email:  rogan at EquinoxInitiative.org<mailto:rogan at EquinoxInitiative.org>
>>
>> web:  http://EquinoxInitiative.org
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