[Evergreen-catalogers] RDA search formats

Thu Nov 16 14:10:55 EST 2017

I second the toolkit idea as a place to start, as well as the MLA
guidelines.

Best,

Jonathan Furr
Technical Services
Forsyth County Public Library
336.703.3045

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Jennifer Weston <
Jennifer.Weston at davidsoncountync.gov> wrote:

> Good idea, Jane!
>
> RDA Toolkit used to have a vocabulary for audio encoding format in
> 3.19.3.3 (back in 2014) but it has since been removed.  The archived
> document might be a good place to start in addition to MLA Best Practices.
> http://www.rda-jsc.org/archivedsite/workspace/rdachp3_2014february.pdf
>
> Best,
> Jennifer Weston
> Davidson County Library
> NC Cardinal
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Evergreen-catalogers <evergreen-catalogers-bounces@
> list.evergreen-ils.org> on behalf of Jane Sandberg <sandbej at linnbenton.edu
> >
> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 11:21 AM
> To: Evergreen Community Catalogers
> Subject: Re: [Evergreen-catalogers] RDA search formats
>
> I just sent an email to AUTOCAT to double-check that nobody is working
> on developing such a controlled vocabulary.  So, we'll see if they
> have anything helpful to say. :-)
>
> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 7:03 AM, Mary Llewellyn <mllewell at biblio.org>
> wrote:
> > I didn't find a list of controlled vocabulary for the 347, either, but I
> > used terms found in examples in OCLC documentation. I figured that will
> do
> > until something more official comes along.
> >
> > Thanks for the link, Elaine.
> >
> > Mary
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 9:44 AM, Elaine Hardy <
> ehardy at georgialibraries.org>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm not finding a controlled vocabulary for the 347|b terms. However,
> >> there is no reason why we Evergreen catalogers couldn't come up with a
> list
> >> for Evergreen if there isn't one (or until there is one). The Music
> Library
> >> Association has guidelines for the 33x and 34x fields
> >> (http://c.ymcdn.com/sites/www.musiclibraryassoc.org/
> resource/resmgr/BCC_RDA/Supp_RDA_Best_Practices.pdf)
> >> that might assist us in coming up with our own list.
> >>
> >> Elaine
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> J. Elaine Hardy
> >> PINES & Collaborative Projects Manager
> >> Georgia Public Library Service/PINES
> >> 1800 Century Place, Ste. 150
> >> Atlanta, GA 30045
> >>
> >> 404.235.7128 Office
> >> 404.548.4241 Cell
> >> 404.235.7201 FAX
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Mike Rylander <mrylander at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> All,
> >>>
> >>> This is a great discussion!
> >>>
> >>> I just wanted to note that, since the values that can be used in the
> >>> 347$b are not (yet -- is there an authoritative list?) included in the
> >>> Coded Value Map table, they can't yet be used in combination with the
> >>> 33x RDA values or fixed fields.  However, all that is required is
> >>> configuration (adding a Digital File Characteristics coded value map,
> >>> and the record attribute definition to extract the values from
> >>> records) to make that work.  With that, an MP3 CD search and icon
> >>> entry for records encoded as described upthread could work the same
> >>> way as any other composite attribute.
> >>>
> >>> This sounds like a wishlist bug to seed and maintain the required
> >>> coded value map entries, at least, I think.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Mike Rylander
> >>>  | President
> >>>  | Equinox Open Library Initiative
> >>>  | phone:  1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457)
> >>>  | email:  miker at equinoxinitiative.org
> >>>  | web:  http://equinoxinitiative.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 11:47 AM, Kathy Lussier <klussier at masslnc.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > Hi,
> >>> >
> >>> > You can add a new icon by doing the following:
> >>> >
> >>> > - If you haven't done so already, configure the attributes for this
> >>> > icon in
> >>> > the Coded Value Maps interface. You will want to add this definition
> >>> > with
> >>> > the OPAC Format Icons record attribute type. Documentation for
> creating
> >>> > these can be found at
> >>> > http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/2.6/_marc_record_attributes.html.
> >>> >
> >>> > - Give the image the same name as is used for the code field when you
> >>> > configured the format in the Coded Value Maps interface. As an
> example,
> >>> > the
> >>> > image for the cassette audiobook icon in stock evergreen is named
> >>> > casaudiobook.png because the code for this definition is
> >>> > 'casaudiobook.'
> >>> >
> >>> > - Put the image on the server in the
> >>> > /openils/var/web/images/format_icons/icon_format/
> >>> >
> >>> > Kathy
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On 11/14/2017 11:01 AM, Mary Llewellyn wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > We've done likewise for the coding, but didn't manage a new icon. I'd
> >>> > love
> >>> > to know how to get new icons and put them into place.
> >>> >
> >>> > We've also made sure that all our downloadable ebooks/audiobooks/etc.
> >>> > get
> >>> > coded as "o". So many of the vendor files use "s" so we change them
> >>> > before
> >>> > loading, so our indexes for those format searches are not muddied
> with
> >>> > whatever "s" should be assigned to.
> >>> >
> >>> > On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 9:06 AM, Elaine Hardy
> >>> > <ehardy at georgialibraries.org>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> We created an icon to use for playaways -- see
> >>> >>
> >>> >> https://gapines.org/eg/opac/record/5000978?query=
> playaways;qtype=keyword;locg=1;detail_record_view=0
> >>> >>
> >>> >> First we made sure that all playaways had the current Form (008/23)
> q
> >>> >> (Direct electronic. Storage on a directly accessible tangible
> >>> >> recording
> >>> >> medium, e.g. disc, tape, Playaway device, flashdrive, portable hard
> >>> >> drive,
> >>> >> etc.) along with the appropriate Type (Leader/06). You will most
> >>> >> likely find
> >>> >> some with old or incorrect codes for Form -- blank, o, or s.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> J. Elaine Hardy
> >>> >> PINES & Collaborative Projects Manager
> >>> >> Georgia Public Library Service/PINES
> >>> >> 1800 Century Place, Ste. 150
> >>> >> Atlanta, GA 30045
> >>> >>
> >>> >> 404.235.7128 Office
> >>> >> 404.548.4241 Cell
> >>> >> 404.235.7201 FAX
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 8:00 AM, Jonathan Furr <furrjt at forsyth.cc>
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> +1 - on the need for conjunction between fixed fields and 33x tags
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I also like Sarah's idea about using the 347$b for the MP3 vs.
> >>> >>> Playaway
> >>> >>> distinction issue.  That might work.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Best,
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Jonathan Furr
> >>> >>> Technical Services
> >>> >>> Forsyth County Public Library
> >>> >>> 336.703.3045
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Jennifer Weston
> >>> >>> <Jennifer.Weston at davidsoncountync.gov> wrote:
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> +1 – I agree that the RDA fields can currently only be used in
> >>> >>>> conjunction with codes in 008 and 007/006.  I do think it is great
> >>> >>>> that we
> >>> >>>> are having this conversation.  The RDA fields are powerful but
> they
> >>> >>>> can’t
> >>> >>>> stand on their own (yet) because we do find ourselves describing
> >>> >>>> multiple
> >>> >>>> content/media/carrier types on the same record sometimes.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Janet asks a question that draws attention to what makes this
> >>> >>>> “hybrid”
> >>> >>>> cataloging world so interesting.  I am not aware of a code that
> >>> >>>> identifies a
> >>> >>>> MP3 but I do include a digital file characteristic on the 347‡b to
> >>> >>>> add MP3
> >>> >>>> as the audio encoding format.  At least, this is an authorized
> term
> >>> >>>> from RDA
> >>> >>>> 3.19.3.3.  Trying to use a subfield may not be effective or
> >>> >>>> efficient (or
> >>> >>>> possible) for filtering but it is there.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Best,
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Jennifer
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Jennifer Weston
> >>> >>>> Davidson County Public Library
> >>> >>>> Technical Services Manager
> >>> >>>> jennifer.weston at davidsoncountync.gov
> >>> >>>> (336) 242-2941
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> From: Evergreen-catalogers
> >>> >>>> [mailto:evergreen-catalogers-bounces at list.evergreen-ils.org] On
> >>> >>>> Behalf Of
> >>> >>>> Janet Schrader
> >>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 3:50 PM
> >>> >>>> To: Evergreen Community Catalogers
> >>> >>>> <evergreen-catalogers at list.evergreen-ils.org>
> >>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Evergreen-catalogers] RDA search formats
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> +1.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> These fields can only be used in conjunction with codes in the 008
> >>> >>>> and
> >>> >>>> 007/006 fields.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> While on this topic, I'd like to know if anyone has created a
> format
> >>> >>>> filter for MP3 CD audiobooks. The 007 field code for SMD is the
> same
> >>> >>>> as
> >>> >>>> regular CDs. Is there some other code(s) I could use?
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Thanks,
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Janet
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 1:30 PM, Elaine Hardy
> >>> >>>> <ehardy at georgialibraries.org> wrote:
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> +1
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> J. Elaine Hardy
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> PINES & Collaborative Projects Manager
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Georgia Public Library Service/PINES
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> 1800 Century Place, Ste. 150
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Atlanta, GA 30045
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> 404.235.7128 Office
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> 404.548.4241 Cell
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> 404.235.7201 FAX
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Jane Sandberg
> >>> >>>> <sandbej at linnbenton.edu>
> >>> >>>> wrote:
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> I'd actually hesitate at this proposal, since the 33x terms don't
> >>> >>>> really make a lot of distinctions that patrons would find helpful,
> >>> >>>> for
> >>> >>>> example:
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> * Large type vs. standard type have the same 33x
> >>> >>>> * DVD vs. Blu-ray have the same 33x
> >>> >>>> * These fields are all repeatable.  Sometimes those combinations
> can
> >>> >>>> mean that there are multiple parts, sometimes it means that
> several
> >>> >>>> formats are incorporated into a single object.  For example,
> >>> >>>> 336$atext
> >>> >>>> and 336$images could mean a picture book, a graphic novel, a book
> of
> >>> >>>> photographs with captions, an archival collection that includes
> both
> >>> >>>> pamphlets and paintings, etc.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> I think that having 33x terms in the mix of
> >>> >>>> what-fields-cause-which-icons is great.  I don't think that they
> >>> >>>> should ever be used without other MARC fields to determine what
> >>> >>>> icons
> >>> >>>> display.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Elaine Hardy
> >>> >>>> <ehardy at georgialibraries.org> wrote:
> >>> >>>> > LC has handy tables that link the RDA terms in the MARC 33x
> fields
> >>> >>>> > to
> >>> >>>> > the
> >>> >>>> > 007 field codes : 007/01 (for 338), Leader/06 codes (for 336)
> and
> >>> >>>> > 007/00
> >>> >>>> > (for 337). See http://www.loc.gov/standards/
> valuelist/index.html.
> >>> >>>> > So,
> >>> >>>> > for
> >>> >>>> > those search filters (and icons) that utilize those 007 codes,
> if
> >>> >>>> > a
> >>> >>>> > bib
> >>> >>>> > record has the 33x fields, those terms and codes could be used
> >>> >>>> > instead.
> >>> >>>> >
> >>> >>>> > To further specify icons, the 007 field will still need to be
> used
> >>> >>>> > to
> >>> >>>> > distinguish formats for videorecordings (007/04)
> >>> >>>> >
> >>> >>>> >
> >>> >>>> >
> >>> >>>> >
> >>> >>>> >
> >>> >>>> > J. Elaine Hardy
> >>> >>>> > PINES & Collaborative Projects Manager
> >>> >>>> > Georgia Public Library Service/PINES
> >>> >>>> > 1800 Century Place, Ste. 150
> >>> >>>> > Atlanta, GA 30045
> >>> >>>> >
> >>> >>>> > 404.235.7128 Office
> >>> >>>> > 404.548.4241 Cell
> >>> >>>> > 404.235.7201 FAX
> >>> >>>> >
> >>> >>>> > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 9:17 AM, Rogan Hamby
> >>> >>>> > <rhamby at equinoxinitiative.org>
> >>> >>>> > wrote:
> >>> >>>> >>
> >>> >>>> >> Good morning.
> >>> >>>> >>
> >>> >>>> >> I've started looking at how we can resolve RDA 336/337/338 tags
> >>> >>>> >> for
> >>> >>>> >> search
> >>> >>>> >> formats.  There has already been community discussion here:
> >>> >>>> >>
> >>> >>>> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1125621
> >>> >>>> >>
> >>> >>>> >> The good news is that we (the Evergreen 'we') already have that
> >>> >>>> >> data
> >>> >>>> >> pulled into the database so the next step is to use it.
> >>> >>>> >>
> >>> >>>> >> Before the code is written though I think there are some points
> >>> >>>> >> for
> >>> >>>> >> the
> >>> >>>> >> larger community.  The big picture questions are - What
> >>> >>>> >> combinations
> >>> >>>> >> should
> >>> >>>> >> map to existing search formats and which might need new ones?
> >>> >>>> >> Also,
> >>> >>>> >> a
> >>> >>>> >> logistic question - When new ones are needed where will the
> icons
> >>> >>>> >> come from?
> >>> >>>> >> (I can probably make them if need be.)
> >>> >>>> >>
> >>> >>>> >> Additionally, a working practice question.  My instinct (and I
> >>> >>>> >> think
> >>> >>>> >> that
> >>> >>>> >> of many) is to say the code should basically check to see if
> >>> >>>> >> there
> >>> >>>> >> are RDA
> >>> >>>> >> values and if so use those and fall back to AACR2.  Are there
> >>> >>>> >> scenarios in
> >>> >>>> >> practice when both should be used?  Following that up, if they
> do
> >>> >>>> >> exist are
> >>> >>>> >> these common enough / follow standards to any degree that we
> >>> >>>> >> should
> >>> >>>> >> worry
> >>> >>>> >> about them or are they edge cases?
> >>> >>>> >>
> >>> >>>> >>
> >>> >>>> >>
> >>> >>>> >>
> >>> >>>> >>
> >>> >>>> >> Rogan Hamby
> >>> >>>> >>
> >>> >>>> >> Data and Project Analyst
> >>> >>>> >>
> >>> >>>> >> Equinox Open Library Initiative
> >>> >>>> >>
> >>> >>>> >> phone:  1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457)
> >>> >>>> >>
> >>> >>>> >> email:  rogan at EquinoxInitiative.org
> >>> >>>> >>
> >>> >>>> >> web:  http://EquinoxInitiative.org
> >>> >>>> >>
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