[Evergreen-catalogers] [External] Re: Questions for fellow consortium catalogers

Tue Jul 28 15:02:37 EDT 2020

Hi Elaine et al.,

Last year we sent an RFP to OCLC in an attempt to reduce the amount of our
OCLC subscription.  At that time we were told that the 29 libraries that
use CatExpress could catalog under our CWJ subscription instead of
purchasing records which are now $1.32 each and any overage is billed at
double the cost for prepaid. Because of the shut-down we were unable to get
some answers from OCLC, such as would the CatExpress libraries be
limited to export only as they are now. I hope to look into this again as a
cost saving for our members.

We did get a reduction for the next three years, but not as much as we
hoped for.

Janet

Janet Schrader

Bibliographic Services Supervisor | CW MARS

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On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 2:15 PM Elaine Hardy <ehardy at georgialibraries.org>
wrote:

> I should have mentioned that we are fortunate enough to have a statewide
> contract for OCLC services, for PINES and nonPINES libraries, so individual
> libraries do not have to have a subscription.
>
> J. Elaine Hardy, PINES and Collaborative Projects Manager
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> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 1:59 PM Stroup, Meg <MStroup at statelibrary.sc.gov>
> wrote:
>
>> This is starting to come up a lot in SCLENDS, and I’m not sure how we’re
>> going to handle it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Right now, we use the same policy as PINES (re: separate records), and
>> that’s the practice that’s in our cataloging manual.  However, very few of
>> our libraries have OCLC, so that’s a significant difference—when the
>> records are coming from all over, it is harder to keep everyone on the same
>> page (same record?).
>>
>>
>>
>> We get records from Z39.50 sources, and most of our libraries have a
>> BookWhere subscription. I’ll put in a good word for BookWhere and say that
>> the catalogers do really like it and generally have success finding
>> records. We also have vendor records entering the system.  As others said,
>> we strongly encourage enhancement of any incoming record and removal of
>> extraneous information—which would include ISBNs that do not pertain to the
>> item that’s actually in hand.
>>
>>
>>
>> If an SCLENDS library is unable to locate a record, and an item requires
>> original cataloging, they have the option of sending it to us at the State
>> Library, and we’ll create the record (and enter it in OCLC).
>>
>>
>>
>> The circulation workgroup has expressed interest in combining formats on
>> a single record, for the reasons that others outlined below. I do
>> understand their frustration, but the cataloger in me honestly doesn’t like
>> the idea. I’m also concerned that combining multiple formats on a single
>> record could get a little Wild Wild West. We do not have a cataloging
>> oversight group: it’s just me, and it’s already difficult to keep 20
>> library systems’ cataloging practices consistent. My worry is that, even
>> with clearly-stated policies (the Cardinal ones are excellent), things
>> would get a little *too* cataloger’s judgement-y.
>>
>>
>>
>> As a side note, we did a heavy deduplication last year, and bad merges
>> typically come from records that had ISBNs for multiple formats (and from
>> records that were not coded correctly in the fixed fields).
>>
>>
>>
>> When I’m wading through the catalog (usually updating authorities or
>> something similar), I do sneakily merge paperback records for anything I
>> call a “summer reading book.”  Merging all 4756476 copies of older
>> paperback editions of *Catcher in the Rye* and similar titles allows me
>> to say I’m doing something to address the circulation group’s
>> concerns—until we do have to make a real policy decision.
>>
>>
>>
>> All that said, we’re going to have to deal with this issue sooner or
>> later.  I’m glad Jessica brought this up, and I’m very interested in what
>> everyone has to say.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Meg
>>
>>
>>
>> Meg Stroup, MLIS
>>
>> SCLENDS Cataloging Coordinator
>>
>> 1500 Senate Street, Columbia, SC 29201
>>
>> (803) 737-7736 | mstroup at statelibrary.sc.gov
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>> *From: *"Goben, Anna" <agoben at library.in.gov>
>> *Date: *Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 11:15 AM
>> *To: *Jessica Philyaw <jphilyaw at fontanalib.org>, Kate Coleman <
>> kcoleman at jeffcolib.org>
>> *Cc: *Elaine Hardy <ehardy at georgialibraries.org>, Elizabeth Thomsen <
>> et at noblenet.org>, "jschrader at cwmars.org" <jschrader at cwmars.org>,
>> "Stroup, Meg" <MStroup at statelibrary.sc.gov>, "
>> jennifer.pringle at bc.libraries.coop" <jennifer.pringle at bc.libraries.coop>,
>> "cmalmgren at roanoketexas.com" <cmalmgren at roanoketexas.com>, "
>> mllewell at biblio.org" <mllewell at biblio.org>
>> *Subject: *[External] Re: Questions for fellow consortium catalogers
>>
>>
>>
>> Our policy in Indiana has been edging towards combining records more as
>> the catalog has grown explosively and patrons and staff have expressed
>> frustration about knowing which record to use for holds.  As you say, lots
>> and lots of discussion initially and some active disagreement on
>> merging/using the same records, but as we've been doing it for a while,
>> we're getting good feedback from our patrons and staff mind it less that
>> it's not the OCLC way of doing things.  Recently we even made the call to
>> move mixed videodisc types onto shared records as long as a combo pack (or
>> packs) was issued at some point, and the content is an exact match for the
>> combo pack record other than UPC/ISBN (example record:
>> http://evergreen.lib.in.us/eg/opac/record/21807955
>> <https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fevergreen.lib.in.us%2Feg%2Fopac%2Frecord%2F21807955&data=02%7C01%7CMStroup%40statelibrary.sc.gov%7Cfbe733a53e924442e29208d83309002b%7Ce9f8d01480d84f27b0d6c3d6c085fcdd%7C1%7C0%7C637315461035823553&sdata=4zRzRfAjvV9qG%2BkfUKjXNBw4cfS0bHKYZG%2FwBuRtrGY%3D&reserved=0>
>> )
>>
>>
>>
>> We get records in from any of our currently configured Z39.50 sources (17
>> options) with a only handful of members currently subscribing to OCLC.  We
>> also get in records from vendors, so it's a bit of a grab-bag on initial
>> import, but we encourage everyone to contribute and update any record
>> that's less robust than desired.  We spend a LOT of time on our internal
>> cataloging list checking to confirm if new records are required if the
>> discrepancy is very small.
>>
>>
>>
>> We do not put mass market paperbacks on shared records due to the major
>> physical differences, but if the page count/publication date is the same,
>> we do add trade paperbacks and book club editions to hard cover records.
>> We also ignore preview content in pagination evaluation, but special
>> features, like Book club discussion guides, do get counted and are grounds
>> for a separate record.  We add reprints/rebinds by companies like Follett,
>> Scholastic, Paw Prints, etc. to the main record if there's no change to the
>> content/responsible parties other than publisher.  And with audiobooks, we
>> allow for Library editions to be on records with trade editions as long as
>> the only difference is the edition statement.
>>
>>
>>
>> We're currently debating what to do when a back-catalog is bought out by
>> a new publisher, but no changes are introduced other than the publisher of
>> record (see Amazon's takeover of  a number of titles from Marshall
>> Cavendish with their Two Lions imprint).  They aren't exactly
>> rebinds/reprints, so the 264 gets complicated...
>>
>>
>>
>> Officially, we still observe the OCLC rules for adding new records, but
>> our list of exceptions has definitely grown so we don't have 5M bibs with
>> nothing but a single item on them: Bib Matching Guidelines
>> <https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1CC4a4Nospejb06dub5x2GfvEFrQAlzA2wJlwwZZA-9k%2Fedit%23heading%3Dh.qgyw7kiqaas5&data=02%7C01%7CMStroup%40statelibrary.sc.gov%7Cfbe733a53e924442e29208d83309002b%7Ce9f8d01480d84f27b0d6c3d6c085fcdd%7C1%7C0%7C637315461035823553&sdata=5N0T1MMyWecHznRhqtLb5lptpFsPN78sXtlImixjk6k%3D&reserved=0>
>> .
>>
>>
>>
>> -Anna
>>
>>
>>
>> Anna Goben
>>
>> Evergreen Indiana Coordinator
>>
>> Indiana State Library
>>
>> 140 N. Senate Ave.
>>
>> Indianapolis, IN 46204
>>
>> Telephone: 317-234-6624
>>
>> Fax: 317-262-3713
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>>
>> *From:* Jessica Philyaw <jphilyaw at fontanalib.org>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 28, 2020 9:43 AM
>> *To:* Kate Coleman <kcoleman at jeffcolib.org>
>> *Cc:* Elaine Hardy <ehardy at georgialibraries.org>; Elizabeth Thomsen <
>> et at noblenet.org>; jschrader at cwmars.org <jschrader at cwmars.org>; Stroup,
>> Meg <MStroup at statelibrary.sc.gov>; jennifer.pringle at bc.libraries.coop <
>> jennifer.pringle at bc.libraries.coop>; cmalmgren at roanoketexas.com <
>> cmalmgren at roanoketexas.com>; mllewell at biblio.org <mllewell at biblio.org>;
>> Goben, Anna <AGoben at library.IN.gov>
>> *Subject:* Re: Questions for fellow consortium catalogers
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Hi, Kate and all:
>>
>>
>>
>> In NC Cardinal, we decided to put paperbacks, including mass market
>> paperbacks, on the same record as hardcovers, with the appropriate ISBNs
>> all on the record, with a 500 line indicating "publisher and paging may
>> differ." The rationale was to cut down on the number of records for content
>> that is the same. We had feedback from patrons that it was annoying to have
>> a title search bring up so many separate records. We do not worry about
>> paperbacks that have previews of forthcoming titles (we don't consider that
>> worthy of a record of its own), but we will do a separate record if there
>> is new/different substantive content, such as a reader's guide, new
>> foreword, etc. However, something like "first paperback edition" or a
>> different imprint or publisher does NOT merit a separate record. (eBooks
>> always go on their own record, though, and those ISBNs never appear on
>> print book records.)
>>
>>
>>
>> This was a controversial decision at the time it was made, but the
>> majority of libraries agreed that cutting down the number of "duplicate"
>> records was worth the loss of distinction between paperback and hardcover
>> formats. Now that the policy has been in place for a couple of years, it
>> doesn't seem as controversial, although it is true that, like any
>> cataloging policy, it is sometimes overlooked in error.
>>
>>
>>
>> You can refer to NC Cardinal instructions here:
>>
>> https://nccardinalsupport.org/index.php?pg=kb.page&id=64
>> <https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnccardinalsupport.org%2Findex.php%3Fpg%3Dkb.page%26id%3D64&data=02%7C01%7CMStroup%40statelibrary.sc.gov%7Cfbe733a53e924442e29208d83309002b%7Ce9f8d01480d84f27b0d6c3d6c085fcdd%7C1%7C0%7C637315461035833508&sdata=xPf%2BK4%2BzpeljZ3O9NyiwhdcIJqbQQ%2FIuqgfGVc%2B%2BxhM%3D&reserved=0>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope this is helpful.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Jessica
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Jessica Philyaw (jphilyaw at fontanalib.org)
>>
>> Assistant County Librarian and Technical Services Supervisor
>>
>> Jackson County Public Library
>>
>> 310 Keener St.
>>
>> Sylva, NC 28779
>>
>> Phone: 828-586-2016
>>
>> Fax: 828-631-2943
>>
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>> law enforcement personnel."
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 8:55 AM Kate Coleman <kcoleman at jeffcolib.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello fellow consortium catalogers! I'm the head of the cataloging
>> committee for Missouri Evergreen. We are bringing an issue to our board for
>> discussion, and I would love to know your policy/procedures on our issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> Could you please share with me how you decide when to place a new record
>> in your shared catalog for a title and your reasonings behind that
>> decision? ? More specifically, do you place more than one ISBN in the same
>> record? (I don't mean 10/13 digit ISBN). Do you put trade paperback and
>> hardcover on the same record? Do you combine all paperbacks on one and all
>> hardcovers on another, or something like that? What are your criteria for
>> doing so? I'm familiar with OCLC's guidelines.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kate Coleman
>> Jefferson County Library - Central Services
>> Technical Services Specialist
>> 5678 State Rd. PP
>> High Ridge, MO 63049
>> 636-677-8689
>> Fax: 636--677-1769
>> kcoleman at jeffcolib.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Jessica Philyaw (jphilyaw at fontanalib.org)
>>
>> Assistant County Librarian and Technical Services Supervisor
>>
>> Jackson County Public Library
>>
>> 310 Keener St.
>>
>> Sylva, NC 28779
>>
>> Phone: 828-586-2016
>>
>> Fax: 828-631-2943
>>
>> "Opinions expressed in this message may not represent the policy of my
>> agency. All e-mail sent to or from the Fontana Regional Library e-mail
>> systems is subject to monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including
>> law enforcement personnel."
>>
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