<div dir="ltr">Oh, another avenue which is somewhat germane to Rogan's question would be using the 347 b. This might be generally more useful than the 33X. <br><br>Again, it's not consistently coded in records, unfortunately could easily include typos, and obviously would require development, but for some formats (like this one) it might be more straightforward than quirks of the fixed fields. <br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Sarah Childs <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sarahc@zionsvillelibrary.org" target="_blank">sarahc@zionsvillelibrary.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>+1 on the 33X fields not being useful without the support of the fixed fields. <br><br></div>As to the MP3 CD audiobooks, interesting question! We haven't purchased these at my library, so I hadn't given it any thought, but there are other libraries in our consortium buying them. After taking a look, they don't seem to be consistently cataloged with fixed fields that would allow them to sort separately from typical CD audiobooks. <br><br></div>Properly, like a Playaway, it seems they should have an 006 and an additional 007 to account for their electronic resource aspects. Of course, the trouble with the 006 is that it would be identical to the Playaway. <br></div><div>The 007 would be (at minimum): co nga I did find at least one record which was so coded (ocn974674749)<br><br></div><div>It would be a hassle, since this isn't standardized you'd have to continue to add it to MP3 records. And I'm pretty sure it would require more sophistication in the code in order for it to accurately distinguish between CD audiobooks, Playaways, and MP3 audiobooks (and probably other computer files on disc). But that might be an avenue. <br></div><div><br></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Janet Schrader <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jschrader@cwmars.org" target="_blank">jschrader@cwmars.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">+1.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">These fields can only be used in conjunction with codes in the 008 and 007/006 fields.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">While on this topic, I'd like to know if anyone has created a format filter for MP3 CD audiobooks. The 007 field code for SMD is the same as regular CDs. Is there some other code(s) I could use?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Thanks,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Janet</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="m_-2313119638529445383h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 1:30 PM, Elaine Hardy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ehardy@georgialibraries.org" target="_blank">ehardy@georgialibraries.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">+1</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_-2313119638529445383m_5946039156756153572m_6360387582275038429gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><font face="tahoma,sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="tahoma,sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="tahoma,sans-serif">J. Elaine Hardy<br></font></div><font face="tahoma,sans-serif">PINES & Collaborative Projects Manager<br></font></div><font face="tahoma,sans-serif">Georgia Public Library Service/PINES<br></font></div><font face="tahoma,sans-serif">1800 Century Place, Ste. 150<br></font></div><font face="tahoma,sans-serif">Atlanta, GA 30045<br><br></font></div><font face="tahoma,sans-serif"><a href="tel:(404)%20235-7128" value="+14042357128" target="_blank">404.235.7128</a> Office<br></font></div><div><font face="tahoma,sans-serif"><a href="tel:(404)%20548-4241" value="+14045484241" target="_blank">404.548.4241</a> Cell<br></font></div><div><font face="tahoma,sans-serif"><a href="tel:(404)%20235-7201" value="+14042357201" target="_blank">404.235.7201</a> FAX<br></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Jane Sandberg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sandbej@linnbenton.edu" target="_blank">sandbej@linnbenton.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I'd actually hesitate at this proposal, since the 33x terms don't<br>
really make a lot of distinctions that patrons would find helpful, for<br>
example:<br>
<br>
* Large type vs. standard type have the same 33x<br>
* DVD vs. Blu-ray have the same 33x<br>
* These fields are all repeatable. Sometimes those combinations can<br>
mean that there are multiple parts, sometimes it means that several<br>
formats are incorporated into a single object. For example, 336$atext<br>
and 336$images could mean a picture book, a graphic novel, a book of<br>
photographs with captions, an archival collection that includes both<br>
pamphlets and paintings, etc.<br>
<br>
I think that having 33x terms in the mix of<br>
what-fields-cause-which-icons is great. I don't think that they<br>
should ever be used without other MARC fields to determine what icons<br>
display.<br>
<br>
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Elaine Hardy<br>
<<a href="mailto:ehardy@georgialibraries.org" target="_blank">ehardy@georgialibraries.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> LC has handy tables that link the RDA terms in the MARC 33x fields to the<br>
> 007 field codes : 007/01 (for 338), Leader/06 codes (for 336) and 007/00<br>
> (for 337). See <a href="http://www.loc.gov/standards/valuelist/index.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.loc.gov/standards/v<wbr>aluelist/index.html</a>. So, for<br>
> those search filters (and icons) that utilize those 007 codes, if a bib<br>
> record has the 33x fields, those terms and codes could be used instead.<br>
><br>
> To further specify icons, the 007 field will still need to be used to<br>
> distinguish formats for videorecordings (007/04)<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> J. Elaine Hardy<br>
> PINES & Collaborative Projects Manager<br>
> Georgia Public Library Service/PINES<br>
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> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 9:17 AM, Rogan Hamby <<a href="mailto:rhamby@equinoxinitiative.org" target="_blank">rhamby@equinoxinitiative.org</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Good morning.<br>
>><br>
>> I've started looking at how we can resolve RDA 336/337/338 tags for search<br>
>> formats. There has already been community discussion here:<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1125621" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://bugs.launchpad.net/eve<wbr>rgreen/+bug/1125621</a><br>
>><br>
>> The good news is that we (the Evergreen 'we') already have that data<br>
>> pulled into the database so the next step is to use it.<br>
>><br>
>> Before the code is written though I think there are some points for the<br>
>> larger community. The big picture questions are - What combinations should<br>
>> map to existing search formats and which might need new ones? Also, a<br>
>> logistic question - When new ones are needed where will the icons come from?<br>
>> (I can probably make them if need be.)<br>
>><br>
>> Additionally, a working practice question. My instinct (and I think that<br>
>> of many) is to say the code should basically check to see if there are RDA<br>
>> values and if so use those and fall back to AACR2. Are there scenarios in<br>
>> practice when both should be used? Following that up, if they do exist are<br>
>> these common enough / follow standards to any degree that we should worry<br>
>> about them or are they edge cases?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Rogan Hamby<br>
>><br>
>> Data and Project Analyst<br>
>><br>
>> Equinox Open Library Initiative<br>
>><br>
>> phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457)<br>
>><br>
>> email: rogan@EquinoxInitiative.org<br>
>><br>
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