<div dir="ltr"><div><div>+1<br><br></div>The MP3CD issue is exactly why we look forward to including the 33x in the coding for search formats/icons.<br><br></div>Mary<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 8:00 AM, Jonathan Furr <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:furrjt@forsyth.cc" target="_blank">furrjt@forsyth.cc</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">+1 - on the need for conjunction between fixed fields and 33x tags<div><br></div><div>I also like Sarah's idea about using the 347$b for the MP3 vs. Playaway distinction issue. That might work.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_5515168392499824422gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Best,</div><div><br></div>Jonathan Furr<div>Technical Services</div><div>Forsyth County Public Library</div><div><a href="tel:(336)%20703-3045" value="+13367033045" target="_blank">336.703.3045</a></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Jennifer Weston <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Jennifer.Weston@davidsoncountync.gov" target="_blank">Jennifer.Weston@<wbr>davidsoncountync.gov</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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RDA fields are powerful but they can’t stand on their own (yet) because we do find ourselves describing multiple content/media/carrier types on the same record sometimes.<br>
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Janet asks a question that draws attention to what makes this “hybrid” cataloging world so interesting. I am not aware of a code that identifies a MP3 but I do include a digital file characteristic on the 347‡b to add MP3 as the audio encoding format. At
least, this is an authorized term from RDA 3.19.3.3. Trying to use a subfield may not be effective or efficient (or possible) for filtering but it is there.<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 9, 2017 3:50 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Evergreen-catalogers] RDA search formats<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">While on this topic, I'd like to know if anyone has created a format filter for MP3 CD audiobooks. The 007 field code for SMD is the same as regular CDs. Is there some other code(s) I could
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'd actually hesitate at this proposal, since the 33x terms don't<br>
really make a lot of distinctions that patrons would find helpful, for<br>
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* Large type vs. standard type have the same 33x<br>
* DVD vs. Blu-ray have the same 33x<br>
* These fields are all repeatable. Sometimes those combinations can<br>
mean that there are multiple parts, sometimes it means that several<br>
formats are incorporated into a single object. For example, 336$atext<br>
and 336$images could mean a picture book, a graphic novel, a book of<br>
photographs with captions, an archival collection that includes both<br>
pamphlets and paintings, etc.<br>
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> LC has handy tables that link the RDA terms in the MARC 33x fields to the<br>
> 007 field codes : 007/01 (for 338), Leader/06 codes (for 336) and 007/00<br>
> (for 337). See <a href="http://www.loc.gov/standards/valuelist/index.html" target="_blank">
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> those search filters (and icons) that utilize those 007 codes, if a bib<br>
> record has the 33x fields, those terms and codes could be used instead.<br>
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>> I've started looking at how we can resolve RDA 336/337/338 tags for search<br>
>> formats. There has already been community discussion here:<br>
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>> <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1125621" target="_blank">https://bugs.launchpad.net/eve<wbr>rgreen/+bug/1125621</a><br>
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>> The good news is that we (the Evergreen 'we') already have that data<br>
>> pulled into the database so the next step is to use it.<br>
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>> Before the code is written though I think there are some points for the<br>
>> larger community. The big picture questions are - What combinations should<br>
>> map to existing search formats and which might need new ones? Also, a<br>
>> logistic question - When new ones are needed where will the icons come from?<br>
>> (I can probably make them if need be.)<br>
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>> Additionally, a working practice question. My instinct (and I think that<br>
>> of many) is to say the code should basically check to see if there are RDA<br>
>> values and if so use those and fall back to AACR2. Are there scenarios in<br>
>> practice when both should be used? Following that up, if they do exist are<br>
>> these common enough / follow standards to any degree that we should worry<br>
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