<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">We found that
HACK:KLUDGE:NULL anywhere, not just stat cats could make the holdings template fail.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">I am not aware of a bug report concerning using default settings. I haven't been able to definitively pin it down.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">While that is a lot of total templates, I would hope no one cataloger has nearly that many! We took the view that migrating to the web client was a good reason to evaluate templates and replace ones that could be improved. A number of our libraries had no problems migrating their templates, or they just replaced them without asking us for assistance. The ones with failed ones were primarily those that had templates dating from the beginning of Evergreen. 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I started a new bug for the issue that is tripping us up. I really don't want to have to ask our cataloging staff to re-create ~300 copy templates.<div><br></div><div>Bug report at: <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1691269" target="_blank">https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1691269</a></div><div><br></div><div>I found a simple fix that seems like it allows the -1 values to work correctly, we are testing it out in production now.</div><div><br></div><div>Is there a bug report on the issue of including default values in templates? I'm curious what the javascript console error is when that comes up.</div><div><br></div><div>Josh</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 8:43 AM Elaine Hardy <<a href="mailto:ehardy@georgialibraries.org" target="_blank">ehardy@georgialibraries.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Josh,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div>I thought there was a bug report about XUL templates failing but could not find it<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"> either</span>. The discussion did not specify not being able to set values to unset/cleared other than that
HACK:KLUDGE:NULLcould make the template fail. Templates, even those created in the web client can also fail if you have too many default values set to that default value. FOr examplea<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"> template with circ? set to yes and reference set to no can fail. <br></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">I have discovered that you can now delete the offending template from the holdings template creator/editor and then recreate it successfully. Initially, we had to delete all templates and recreate each one (also deleting the in the saved preferences under workstation administration).</span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"></span><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr" style="margin-left:0pt"><table style="border:medium none;border-collapse:collapse"><colgroup><col width="94"><col width="530"></colgroup><tbody><tr style="height:0pt"><td style="vertical-align:top;padding:5pt"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><img src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/4jjgPUWBVzf147RHrer8Bl_c6hdLRGOszVTf_VytJlqSJgNUSOkY1daLKwcB-PwI6kKfLb2t9OV3U7N2JIDbAtOcVMXFQyTP9jtlWDuB1ZHC-QKBdnoldI7ww8SAoorpb2JBzj3j" style="border: medium none;" width="76" height="76"></span></p></td><td style="vertical-align:top;padding:5pt"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:9pt"><font size="1"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(30,67,155);background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">J. 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0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Elaine, we are running into this issue with migrated item templates in the web client. Do you know if there is a bug report for this, or a discussion anywhere.<div><br></div><div>Specifically about the fact that in the XUL client, you could define values to be unset/cleared when a template was created. The template would look like this.</div><div><br></div><div> "Floating?": {<br> "value": "<HACK:KLUDGE:NULL>",<br> "field": "floating",<br> "type": "attribute"<br> },<br></div><div><br></div><div>This would unset the Floating value when the template was applied. Those entries are just removed when migrated to the web client format. So I'm looking for some discussion about why there is no ability for the web client item templates to clear values.</div><div><br></div><div>Also, the same sort of thing done for stat cat values worked in the XUL client. </div><div><br></div><div> "LARL_NWRL_CONSORTIUM : Genre Book": {<br> "field": "21",<br> "type": "stat_cat",<br> "value": "-1"<br> },<br></div><div><br></div><div>This would unset the stat cat with id 21 when applied. It looks like this does get migrated over, but causes the template to not be able to be applied. I haven't had any luck finding a bug report on this. It seems like those -1 entries should be cleared out if they are not valid in the new format. </div><div><br></div><div>All the stat-cats get defined together in the new template json format.</div><div><br></div><div> "statcats": {<br> "17": 469,<br> "18": 475,<br> "19": 481,<br> "20": 486,<br> "21": -1<br> },<br></div><div><br></div><div>Here is an example of the old json format and the migrated format.</div><div><a href="https://gist.github.com/stompro/7627c8b47af283eba5e29a22bad60ddd" target="_blank">https://gist.github.com/stompro/7627c8b47af283eba5e29a22bad60ddd</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>I feel like I'm just not using the correct search terms to find where this has been discussed before, so if anyone can point me in the right location I would appreciate it.</div><div><br></div><div>Josh</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 9:40 AM Elaine Hardy <<a href="mailto:ehardy@georgialibraries.org" target="_blank">ehardy@georgialibraries.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">We found that we had to delete and recreate the XUL templates. They failed to apply. We think because of null values. </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 12, 2019, 10:28 AM Jonathan T. Furr <<a href="mailto:Jonathan.Furr@davidsoncountync.gov" target="_blank">Jonathan.Furr@davidsoncountync.gov</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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from the XUL client and we do not use stat cats. The templates seem to apply the attributes correctly, but it will not save my work and create the item. If I apply the same item attributes manually, the item is created without issue. I’m wondering if the
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kate Coleman<br>
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5678 State Rd. PP<br>
High Ridge, MO 63049<br>
636-677-8689<br>
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