<div dir="ltr">Hello Blake,<div>thank you for all your inputs.</div><div><br></div><div>I started today from scratch (to be sure).</div><div>generic-dockerhub is used (again) and all recommended edits are added to vars and Dockerfile. Issue still persists. </div><div><br></div><div>So here is time for some tee and ansible check </div><div><br></div><div>But from quick check is the problem in missing/not progressing chown. Everything is owned by root</div><div># ll /openils<br>total 32<br>drwxr-xr-x  8 root root 4096 Aug 14 16:06 ./<br>drwxr-xr-x  1 root root 4096 Aug 14 16:18 ../<br>drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 Aug 14 16:06 bin/<br>drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 Aug 14 16:10 conf/<br>drwxr-xr-x  4 root root 4096 Aug 14 16:06 include/<br>drwxr-xr-x  3 root root 4096 Aug 14 16:06 lib/<br>drwxr-xr-x  4 root root 4096 Aug 14 16:06 share/<br>drwxr-xr-x 12 root root 4096 Aug 14 16:06 var/<br></div><div><br></div><div>But autogen task is running with opensrf </div><div><br></div><div> - name: Run autogen<br>    become: true<br>    become_user: opensrf<br>    environment:<br>      PATH: "{{ ansible_env.PATH }}:{{openils_path}}/bin"<br>    shell:  export PATH=$PATH:{{openils_path}}/bin && {{openils_path}}/bin/autogen.sh -u<br></div><div><br></div><div>I will try to repair it tomorrow.</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards</div><div><br></div><div>Vaclav</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 10:36 PM Blake Henderson <<a href="mailto:blake@mobiusconsortium.org">blake@mobiusconsortium.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
  <div>
    <p>Vaclav,</p>
    <br>
    <p>Which docker folder are you building?</p>
    <p>generic-dockerhub<br>
      or<br>
      generic-dockerhub-dev</p>
    <p>You should be building your container image from:<br>
      generic-dockerhub<br>
      <br>
      (not generic-dockerhub-dev)<br>
      <br>
      Do you have anything defined in vars.yml for
      "shared_jackets_folder"? You shouldn't.<br>
      <br>
      Make sure you pull the most recent commit to the repository:</p>
    <p>cd eg-docker<br>
      # if you've made changes to the repository, let's make sure
      everything is back to default:<br>
      git clean -x -f -d<br>
      <br>
      git pull</p>
    <p>Check the vars.yml, make sure you have:<br>
      ubuntu_version: focal<br>
      evergreen_version: 3.11.1<br>
      add_evergreen_language_support: no<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      For troubleshooting, you can edit the Dockerfile such that it
      doesn't start Evergreen when the image runs:</p>
    <p>vi Dockerfile<br>
      <br>
      Comment out this line:</p>
    <p># ENTRYPOINT cd /egconfigs && ansible-playbook
      evergreen_restart_services.yml -vvvv -e "hosts=127.0.0.1"
      && while true; do sleep 1; done<br>
      <br>
      uncomment this line<br>
      ENTRYPOINT while true; do sleep 1; done<br>
      <br>
      Rebuild your image:</p>
    <p>docker build --add-host public.localhost:127.0.1.2 --add-host
      public:127.0.1.2 --add-host private.localhost:127.0.1.3 --add-host
      private:127.0.1.3 . --no-cache<br>
      <br>
      Then run the resulting image<br>
      <br>
      docker run -it -p 80:80 -p 443:443 -p 210:210 -p 6001:6001 -p
      32:22 -p 5433:5432 -h <a href="http://app.evergreen.com" target="_blank">app.evergreen.com</a> <image id></p>
    <p>Login to the container:<br>
      docker exec -it `docker ps -q` bash</p>
    <p>Since you commented out the ENTRYPOINT line, you'll need to run
      it by hand:</p>
    <p>cd /egconfigs && ansible-playbook
      evergreen_restart_services.yml -vvvv -e "hosts=127.0.0.1"</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>If it has an error, at least the container doesn't die. You can
      investigate the folder permissions. And maybe fix whatever the
      issue is.<br>
      <br>
      Hopefully I've given you some ideas to try.<br>
    </p>
    Good luck!
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <pre cols="72">-Blake-
Conducting Magic
Can consume data in any format
MOBIUS

On 8/13/2023 2:52 PM, Vaclav Jansa wrote:
</pre>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      
      <div dir="ltr">Hello Blake,
        <div>docker image was build from Fridays clone of docker git.</div>
        <div>with command</div>
        <div>docker build . --add-host public.localhost:127.0.1.2
          --add-host public:127.0.1.2 --add-host
          private.localhost:127.0.1.3 --add-host private:127.0.1.3
          --no-cache<br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Configuration file is attached,</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Failure is then reported almost at end of startup</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>docker run -it -p 80:80 -p 443:443 -p 210:210 -p 6001:6001
          -p 32:22 -p 5433:5432 -h <a href="http://app.evergreen.com" target="_blank">app.evergreen.com</a> 65d123dbd2ed<br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>in task Run autogen.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Error is also attached. </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Many thanks for your check and all hints</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Vaclav</div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">
        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at
          4:19 AM Blake Henderson <<a href="mailto:blake@mobiusconsortium.org" target="_blank">blake@mobiusconsortium.org</a>>
          wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
          <div dir="auto">Vaclav,
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">Which command did you use to produce that
              error?</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">-Blake-</div>
            <div dir="auto">MOBIUS</div>
          </div>
          <br>
          <div class="gmail_quote">
            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 11, 2023, 1:42
              PM Vaclav Jansa via Evergreen-general <<a href="mailto:evergreen-general@list.evergreen-ils.org" target="_blank">evergreen-general@list.evergreen-ils.org</a>>
              wrote:<br>
            </div>
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
              <div dir="ltr">Hello Blake and Jane,
                <div>thanks for all the magic.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>We still try to solve multiple problems with
                  localization. So image with enabled i18n will be
                  better for us and our testing.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Unfortunately our builded image does not start
                  correctly / it reports some access issue</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <pre><div style="color:rgb(236,239,241);background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);font-family:Consolas,monospace-fallback,"monospace";font-size:14px"><div><span style="color:rgb(214,35,65)">fatal: [127.0.0.1]: FAILED! => {</span>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            </div><div><span style="color:rgb(214,35,65)">    "changed": true,</span>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        </div><div><span style="color:rgb(214,35,65)">    "cmd": "export PATH=$PATH:/openils/bin && /openils/bin/autogen.sh -u",</span>                                                                                                                                                                                                  </div><div><span style="color:rgb(214,35,65)">    "delta": "0:00:00.005884",</span>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              </div><div><span style="color:rgb(214,35,65)">    "end": "2023-08-11 14:29:36.772621",</span>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    </div><div><span style="color:rgb(214,35,65)">    "invocation": {</span>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         </div><div><span style="color:rgb(214,35,65)">        "module_args": {</span>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    </div><div><span style="color:rgb(214,35,65)">            "_raw_params": "export PATH=$PATH:/openils/bin && /openils/bin/autogen.sh -u",</span>                                                                                                                                                                                  </div><div><span style="color:rgb(214,35,65)">            "_uses_shell": true,</span>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            </div><div><span style="color:rgb(214,35,65)">            "argv": null,</span>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   </div><div><span style="color:rgb(214,35,65)">            "chdir": null,</span>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  </div><div><span style="color:rgb(214,35,65)">            "creates": null,</span>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                </div><div><span style="color:rgb(214,35,65)">            "executable": null,</span>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             </div><div><span style="color:rgb(214,35,65)">            "removes": null,</span>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                </div><div><span style="color:rgb(214,35,65)">            "stdin": null,</span>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  </div><div><span style="color:rgb(214,35,65)">            "stdin_add_newline": true,</span>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      </div><div><span style="color:rgb(214,35,65)">            "strip_empty_ends": true,</span>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       </div><div><span style="color:rgb(214,35,65)">            "warn": true</span>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    </div><div><span style="color:rgb(214,35,65)">        }</span>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   </div><div><span style="color:rgb(214,35,65)">    },</span>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      </div><div><span style="color:rgb(214,35,65)">    "msg": "non-zero return code",</span>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          </div><div><span style="color:rgb(214,35,65)">    "rc": 1,</span>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                </div><div><span style="color:rgb(214,35,65)">    "start": "2023-08-11 14:29:36.766737",</span>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  </div><div><span style="color:rgb(214,35,65)">    "stderr": "mkdir: cannot create directory ‘/openils/var/web/opac/extras/ac’: Permission denied",</span>                                                                                                                                                                        </div><div><span style="color:rgb(214,35,65)">    "stderr_lines": [</span>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       </div><div><span style="color:rgb(214,35,65)">        "mkdir: cannot create directory ‘/openils/var/web/opac/extras/ac’: Permission denied"</span>                                                                                                                                                                               </div><div><span style="color:rgb(214,35,65)">    ],</span>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      </div><div><span style="color:rgb(214,35,65)">    "stdout": "Unable to write to /openils/var/web/opac/common/js, please check\nUnable to write to /openils/var/web/js/dojo/fieldmapper, please check\nUnable to write to /openils/var/web/opac/extras/slimpac, please check",</span>                                             </div><div><span style="color:rgb(214,35,65)">    "stdout_lines": [</span>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       </div><div><span style="color:rgb(214,35,65)">        "Unable to write to /openils/var/web/opac/common/js, please check",</span>                                                                                                                                                                                                 </div><div><span style="color:rgb(214,35,65)">        "Unable to write to /openils/var/web/js/dojo/fieldmapper, please check",</span>                                                                                                                                                                                            </div><div><span style="color:rgb(214,35,65)">        "Unable to write to /openils/var/web/opac/extras/slimpac, please check"</span> </div><div>
</div></div></pre>
                </div>
                <div>I will try it one more time from build. But maybe
                  you meet already this issue.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>I use for build kvm virtual machine  with Ubuntu
                  LTS 22.04 and actual <a href="http://docker.io" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">docker.io</a>. everything is
                  running under user added in docker group.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Many thanks for all your inputs</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Vaclav </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>(a guy which build docker images for Linda's
                  dinner)</div>
              </div>
              <br>
              <div class="gmail_quote">
                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 11, 2023
                  at 4:32 PM Blake Graham-Henderson via
                  Evergreen-general <<a href="mailto:evergreen-general@list.evergreen-ils.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">evergreen-general@list.evergreen-ils.org</a>>
                  wrote:<br>
                </div>
                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                  <div> Linda,<br>
                    <br>
                    The images that we've posted to dockerhub were not
                    built with i18n turned on. That switch needs to have
                    been set to "yes" during the build process. Which
                    means, you'll probably want to build your own docker
                    image instead of using the pre-made images.<br>
                    <br>
                    Repo: <a href="https://github.com/mcoia/eg-docker" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/mcoia/eg-docker</a><br>
                    <br>
                    Building your own image is done like this:<br>
                    <br>
                    1. Clone the git repository that does the work:<br>
                    <br>
                    git clone <a href="https://github.com/mcoia/eg-docker.git" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/mcoia/eg-docker.git</a><br>
                    <br>
                    2. Customize the vars.yml to suit your needs<br>
                    <br>
                    cd eg-docker/generic-dockerhub<br>
                    vi vars.yml<br>
                    <br>
                    The main two variables are:<br>
                      ubuntu_version: focal<br>
                      evergreen_version: 3.9.1<br>
                    <br>
                    I'd change evergreen_version to: 3.11.1<br>
                    <br>
                    You're also interested in this setting:<br>
                    add_evergreen_language_support: no<br>
                    <br>
                    If you change that setting to "yes" - it will cause
                    the build to edit the eg_vhost.conf file during the
                    build.<br>
                    <br>
                    But* if you already have an eg_vhost.conf file that
                    you would like to use, then leave that setting "no"
                    and copy your eg_vhost.conf file directly into the
                    generic-dockerhub folder.<br>
                    <br>
                    You'll need to make one more change in order to
                    incorporate your eg_vhost.conf:<br>
                    <br>
                    # edit Dockerfile<br>
                    vi Dockerfile<br>
                    <br>
                    Add this line:<br>
                    ADD eg_vhost.conf /egconfigs/eg_vhost.conf<br>
                    <br>
                    Put that line right above this line:<br>
                    RUN cd /egconfigs && ansible-playbook
                    install_evergreen.yml -v -e "hosts=127.0.0.1"<br>
                    <br>
                    so it should look like this:<br>
                    <br>
                    .....<br>
                    ADD vars.yml /egconfigs/vars.yml<br>
                    ADD install_evergreen.yml
                    /egconfigs/install_evergreen.yml<br>
                    ADD evergreen_restart_services.yml
                    /egconfigs/evergreen_restart_services.yml<br>
                    ADD restart_post_boot.yml
                    /egconfigs/restart_post_boot.yml<br>
                    ADD eg_vhost.conf /egconfigs/eg_vhost.conf<br>
                    RUN cd /egconfigs && ansible-playbook
                    install_evergreen.yml -v -e "hosts=127.0.0.1"<br>
                    ENTRYPOINT cd /egconfigs && ansible-playbook
                    evergreen_restart_services.yml -vvvv -e
                    "hosts=127.0.0.1" && while true; do sleep 1;
                    done<br>
                    #ENTRYPOINT while true; do sleep 1; done<br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    Now, you're ready to build your own docker image.
                    Like this:<br>
                    <br>
                    docker build \<br>
                    --add-host public.localhost:127.0.1.2 \<br>
                    --add-host public:127.0.1.2 \<br>
                    --add-host private.localhost:127.0.1.3 \<br>
                    --add-host private:127.0.1.3 \<br>
                    . --no-cache<br>
                    <br>
                    You do need to be in the generic-dockerhub folder
                    when you run that command<br>
                    <br>
                    It will take about 15 minutes to complete. Once
                    completed, Docker will report the sha hash of the
                    image that you just built. You can see it with this
                    command:<br>
                    <br>
                    docker images<br>
                    <br>
                    Now that you have your own image. You can start an
                    Evergreen server from it. Like this:<br>
                    <br>
                    <pre><code>docker run -it -p 80:80 -p 443:443 -p 210:210 -p 6001:6001 -p 32:22 -p 5433:5432 -h <a href="http://app.evergreen.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">app.evergreen.com</a> <your_new_image_sha_hash>

Watch it boot up, and make sure it finishes. You will know that it finishes when you see the "PLAY RECAP" line, and there should be 0 fails.

You can safely disconnect from the container leaving it running using the magic key combination: ctrl+pq (NOT ctrl+c, that will kill it)

</code>

Now that I've said all of that, and you're going to supply your own eg_vhost.conf file, it might be faster to use the pre-built image from dockerhub, boot it up,
then replace the eg_vhost.conf file located in the container, and restart apache2.

So that would look like this:

1. Start docker with the community container:
<code>docker run -it -p 80:80 -p 443:443 -p 210:210 -p 6001:6001 -p 32:22 -p 5433:5432 -h <a href="http://app.evergreen.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">app.evergreen.com</a> mobiusoffice/evergreen-ils:latest</code>

2. Wait for it to finish starting (look for that PLAY RECAP line, and confirm "0 fail"). Press ctrl+pq.

3. SSH into the container

ssh -p 32 user@localhost

the password is "password"

3a. Alternatively, you can attach to the container using "docker exec"

docker exec -it `docker ps -q` bash

4. Once you're on the shell of the container, you need to make your edits to:
/etc/apache2/eg_vhost.conf

note: vi is not installed in the container, you might have to install vi:

apt-get update && apt-get install -y vim

vi /etc/apache2/eg_vhost.conf
(make changes)

Save the file

5. Restart apache

/etc/init.d/apache2 restart

That should do it!

Good luck. Feel free to ask questions!


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                    <pre cols="72">-Blake-
Conducting Magic
Will consume any data format
MOBIUS</pre>
                    <div>On 8/11/2023 8:17 AM, Jane Sandberg via
                      Evergreen-general wrote:<br>
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                        <div dir="ltr">That is very mysterious!
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>These steps worked for me to add the 950
                            db seed in French within a docker container:</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>docker exec -it [container_name] bash</div>
                            <div>cd /home/opensrf/repos/Evergreen</div>
                            <div>make -f
                              Open-ILS/src/extras/Makefile.install
                              ubuntu-focal-translator</div>
                            <div>su opensrf</div>
                            <div>cd build/i18n</div>
                            <div>mkdir locale</div>
                            <div>make newpot</div>
                            <div>make LOCALE=fr-CA updatepo</div>
                            <div>exit # go back to root user</div>
                            <div>cd
                              /home/opensrf/repos/Evergreen/build/i18n
                              && make LOCALE=fr-CA install</div>
                            <div>su evergreen</div>
                            <div>psql -f
                              Open-ILS/src/sql/Pg/950.data.seed-values-fr-CA.sql</div>
                          </div>
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                        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">El vie, 11 ago
                          2023 a la(s) 05:51, Linda Jansová (<a href="mailto:linda.jansova@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">linda.jansova@gmail.com</a>)
                          escribió:<br>
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                            <div>Thank you very much, Jane!</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>We currently use the dev tag (but we
                              may also try some other non-dev tags as
                              you have suggested :-); actually, it seems
                              that the language selector in the OPAC
                              correctly appears after a couple of
                              reloads, then - for a couple of other
                              reloads - it disappears only to appear
                              again after some more reloads ;-).</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>It definitely works in mysterious ways
                              so far; we would probably also need to add
                              the 950 db seed with French (and Czech)
                              translations. Any ideas how to do this
                              correctly?</div>
                            <p>Linda</p>
                            <div>On 8/11/23 14:25, Jane Sandberg wrote:<br>
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                                      <div dir="ltr">Hi Linda,
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>What tag of the Evergreen
                                          container are you using?  I
                                          believe that the instructions
                                          under "Restarting Evergreen
                                          services" are only applicable
                                          to the "dev" tag (i.e. if you
                                          ran `docker run
                                          [...] mobiusoffice/evergreen-ils:dev`). 
                                          If you don't specify a tag, it
                                          defaults to the "latest" tag,
                                          which doesn't contain the
                                          file-based restart/recompile
                                          methods.</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>I typically use the non-dev
                                          tags, using the following
                                          steps to restart apache. 
                                          Theoretically, they should
                                          work if you are using the dev
                                          tag too, but I haven't tried
                                          them:</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>1. docker ps # this will
                                          show the name of the running
                                          container</div>
                                        <div>2. docker exec -it
                                          [container_name] bash # this
                                          will provide a shell within
                                          the running container.  For
                                          example, if step 1 had
                                          mentioned that the running
                                          Evergreen container is named
                                          "peaceful_spence", it would be
                                          `docker exec -it
                                          peaceful_spence bash`</div>
                                        <div>3. apache2ctl restart #
                                          simply restarts apache. When I
                                          need to restart all services,
                                          I use `ansible-playbook
                                          /egconfigs/evergreen_restart_services.yml
                                          -e hosts="127.0.0.1"` instead.</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>Hope this helps,</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>   -Jane</div>
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                                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">El
                                  vie, 11 ago 2023 a la(s) 04:28, Linda
                                  Jansová via Evergreen-general (<a href="mailto:evergreen-general@list.evergreen-ils.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">evergreen-general@list.evergreen-ils.org</a>)
                                  escribió:<br>
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                                    <p> </p>
                                    Dear all,
                                    <p>We have just started
                                      experimenting with a Docker
                                      container (<a href="https://hub.docker.com/r/mobiusoffice/evergreen-ils" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://hub.docker.com/r/mobiusoffice/evergreen-ils</a>),
                                      mainly to see whether it could
                                      help us identify what causes i18n
                                      issues reported in a separate
                                      thread (with a subject "Evergreen
                                      3.11.0a not properly switching
                                      into Czech in the staff client").</p>
                                    <p>At this point we are a bit stuck
                                      as we would like to make
                                      appropriate i18n changes to the
                                      eg_vhost.conf file and then make
                                      them visible both in the OPAC and
                                      in the staff client.</p>
                                    <p>We have uncommented lines related
                                      to French translation (just to see
                                      if it works before we would make a
                                      deep dive into Czech) and
                                      restarted Evergreen as described
                                      at <a href="https://hub.docker.com/r/mobiusoffice/evergreen-ils" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://hub.docker.com/r/mobiusoffice/evergreen-ils</a>
                                      (under the heading "Restarting
                                      Evergreen services") but it
                                      doesn’t seem to change anything in
                                      the OPAC.</p>
                                    <p>How exactly should we proceed?</p>
                                    <p>(Maybe a more specific piece of
                                      documentation that would answer
                                      our question is available
                                      somewhere; in that case, sharing a
                                      URL would be great :-).)</p>
                                    <p>Thank you in advance!</p>
                                    <p>Linda </p>
                                    <p> </p>
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