<div dir="ltr">Hi Elizabeth,<div><br></div><div>When we place a meta record hold all of print that is not large print has the format book so we would need to add formats. This is a good consideration that I've been thinking about.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you for your help.</div><div><br></div><div>Joan</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 1:06 PM Elizabeth Davis via Evergreen-general <<a href="mailto:evergreen-general@list.evergreen-ils.org">evergreen-general@list.evergreen-ils.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-3430190036262700645">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">PaILS uses the same record for hardcover and trade paper editions. We encourage a separate record for mass market paperback. I’d have to test it but would the multi-format hold work for instances where you
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Terran McCanna via Evergreen-general<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 20, 2024 1:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Evergreen Discussion Group <<a href="mailto:evergreen-general@list.evergreen-ils.org" target="_blank">evergreen-general@list.evergreen-ils.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Terran McCanna <<a href="mailto:tmccanna@georgialibraries.org" target="_blank">tmccanna@georgialibraries.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Evergreen-general] [External] Paperback vs. Hardcover Records<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:black">Like you, our bibliographic records can contain both paperback and hardcover versions of a book. We actually encourage this, as well, as part of our cataloging best practices to try and cut down
on duplicate records and to make sure that as many items as possible are available for patrons on a single record. There will be instances, however, where we suggest using a separate record, but that is usually based on the content of the book, not whether
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:black">The majority of our member libraries are fine with this, but we do occasionally receive requests to separate paperbacks and hardcovers, because some libraries have patrons who only want one or
the other. One recommendation we have made is for libraries to use call numbers and/or shelving locations to identify if a specific item is paperback. For example, one member library puts "Apb" for "Adult Paperback" at the beginning of the call numbers for
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:black">This may not help patrons as much when placing holds, because they cannot place item level holds, but it allows staff to easily identify a paperback version so they can place an item hold for the
patron. Staff would just have to encourage patrons to come to them to place the hold, so the staff can place the item level hold for the patron.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:black">It is admittedly not a perfect solution, but because we have combined paperbacks and hardcovers on single records for so long, trying to split them up now would simply be unfeasible. And even
if we began instructing catalogers to use separate records moving forward, that would still leave countless existing records in the catalog with both paperbacks and hardcovers on them.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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