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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Ben<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I think this makes sense. Using the structure already in place for Circulation policies and Circulation limit sets would keep it consistent.
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 26, 2024 10:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> evergreen-general@list.evergreen-ils.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Elizabeth Davis <elizabeth.davis@sparkpa.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [External] [Evergreen-general] Discussion/Heat request for Bug 1721053<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">This is something that we also run into regularly and is an annoyance for staff.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">I think the ideal behavior for us would be:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">If there's a limit on a circmod, a patron hits the max holds on that circmod and can't place more holds for that circmod, but they're not restricted in the number of holds they can place for other
circmods until they hit any limits in place for those circmods.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">So the ability to set: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">org unit -> permission group -> circmod -> hold limit<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">But with an inheritance structure where these could also be set if values not provided for one of the fields, with more specificity winning (do we then get into weighting?): <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">org unit -> circmod -> hold limit<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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This brings to mind some of what we've learned about circ limit sets, in that they are ORs rather than ANDs. So, as we understand it, Evergreen will consider either the circulation modifier or shelving location found in the limit set, not both. That's not the
behavior I'm describing above. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Interested in this conversation!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 26, 2024 9:23 AM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Elizabeth Davis <<a href="mailto:elizabeth.davis@sparkpa.org">elizabeth.davis@sparkpa.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [External] [Evergreen-general] Discussion/Heat request for Bug 1721053</span>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Hello Everyone, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">PaILS is interested in pursuing future development for <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__bugs.launchpad.net_evergreen_-2Bbug_1721053&d=DwMF-g&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=j4SWsMDXRVOGlMb-EfMRIp9IjAos-OG-ewOKBUjTNh8&m=IWMMRMNPM4mhEA9qBTBre6dViGPjEBrw5ZmN1DvEwG14-si4vofrc3eJnmbyoAQK&s=ImnIinXsbNgF2GpKt-8MB9mUR3WYmNFVI3fcgVvz9nk&e=">
bug 1721053</a> and we’d like to see how other consortia feel about it. Currently there is max hold option in the hold policies, but it doesn’t limit to just the hold policy scenario but rather all holds. For example, if you have a hold policy that says that
patrons can have a max hold of 2 on the kit circulation modifier it will block patrons from placing holds on kits if they have more than 2 holds on any other circulation modifiers. We have a few libraries that want to limit the number of holds patrons can
have on higher ticket items like hotspots and library of things items. They might have a higher limit on other circulation modifiers like 10 dvds and 25 on books.
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<p class="xmsonormal">We are interested in seeing how folks would prefer this to function. Would a hold limit set, similar to how the circulation limit sets, as suggested in the comments work? Would you prefer the max hold value work on the individual hold
scenario and leave it in the policy as it is now? Does anyone have an alternative idea?
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Thanks, </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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