<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Nov 3, 2024 at 7:36 PM Blake Graham-Henderson <<a href="mailto:blake@mobiusconsortium.org">blake@mobiusconsortium.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>

  
    
  
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    Dashamir,<br>
    <br>
    We do have the PostgreSQL standalone setup in our install server
    documentation:<br>
    <br>
    <a href="https://evergreen-ils.org/documentation/install/README_3_14.html#creating_the_evergreen_database" target="_blank">https://evergreen-ils.org/documentation/install/README_3_14.html#creating_the_evergreen_database</a><br>
    <br>
    That command will install all of the stuff needed for a standalone
    PostgreSQL server. Keep in mind that PostreSQL 13 is the minimum
    version required for Evergreen 3.14.<br>
    <br>
    Let us know if you encounter a specific error, and maybe we can
    troubleshoot that. I hope you get it setup and working! We're a fun
    community of developers and librarians alike, and your suggestions
    and improvements are very much welcome!<br>
    <br>
    P.S. I updated our docker build repo yesterday to include that git
    cherry pick, in case you were confused to find it already there. I
    plan on removing it once the issue is resolved either in our
    Evergreen install process or by the Module::Pluggable Perl project.<br>
    <pre cols="72">-Blake-
Conducting Magic
Will consume any data format
MOBIUS

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    <div>On 11/3/2024 11:08 AM, Dashamir Hoxha
      wrote:<br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Dear
          Blake, thanks a lot for sharing this detailed information.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Whichever
          path I take, I will find some part of it useful. For example,
          using a cherry-pick to patch the code is something that I
          would have never been able to find by myself, and it would
          have been a source of frustration.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">I will
          certainly give a try to the demo docker image. However, using
          an external PostgreSQL is not that simple. I have already
          tried it. I have a PostgreSQL container that I use as an
          external DB for the apps that I install. It tried to use it as
          an external DB for EG, and I noticed that it required some
          additional packages or modules that I had not installed. I
          don't remember right now what they were. It is not a big deal,
          but it is something that needs to be documented and people
          should be told about it.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">I managed
          to find your Antora based documentation. I am a big fan of
          Antora and I use it myself for documentation purposes. My
          suggestion would be to get rid of the wiki pages and migrate
          all the doc pages to Antora. Antora can also function as a
          kind of wiki, if it is set up properly. For example I use it
          with GitLab pages, as described here: <a href="https://docker-scripts.gitlab.io/howto/working-with-docs.html" target="_blank">https://docker-scripts.gitlab.io/howto/working-with-docs.html</a></div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Best
          regards,</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Dashamir</div>
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        </div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Nov 2, 2024 at
          10:07 PM Blake Graham-Henderson <<a href="mailto:blake@mobiusconsortium.org" target="_blank">blake@mobiusconsortium.org</a>>
          wrote:<br>
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          <div> Dashamir,<br>
            <br>
            I sympathize with you. Evergreen isn't the easiest thing to
            install. It's a tall stack of cards starting with Linux at
            the bottom, then an ecosystem of Perl modules, then
            PostgreSQL, then Ejabberd, then a thing called OpenSRF, and
            finally Evergreen atop all of that. Then sprinkle Apache
            over that and reverse proxy NGINX around Apache. The install
            steps will get you there but you have to pay close attention
            to which user you're running each command as. Some are root,
            some are opensrf and some are "user". Each step is
            important.<br>
            <br>
            If you're just curious about how Evergreen operates and you
            want to get a test server up and running, you can enable
            easy mode and start the pre-built docker container like
            this:<br>
            <br>
            docker run -it -p 80:80 -p 443:443 -p 210:210 -p 6001:6001
            -p 5433:5432 -h <a href="http://app.evergreen.com" target="_blank">app.evergreen.com</a>
            mobiusoffice/evergreen-ils<br>
            <br>
            Wait 7 minutes, and it's ready for you to connect.<br>
            <br>
            Yes: it supports the latest version of Evergreen. We have
            published a container that comes with 3.14.0.<br>
            <br>
            If you're interested in the build process, and you would
            like to build your own docker container, then you can clone
            the git repository that we use to build the containers and
            play with the build. If you would like to build a different
            version of Evergreen, you'll want to edit the vars.yml file
            and set the version number. Some versions of Evergreen
            require different operating systems. If you go too far back,
            you'll want to change the operating system that is used to
            build the container by editing the Dockerfile.<br>
            <br>
            Unfortunately, you've arrived at a moment when this bug is
            plaguing our docker builds:<br>
            <br>
            <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/2086480" target="_blank">https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/2086480</a><br>
            <br>
            Luckily, it's easy to fix, but if you are going to build
            your own container, you'll need to know about that issue,
            because your resulting container will be broken without the
            fix. You can edit vars.yml and introduce the patch like
            this:<br>
            <br>
            change this line:<br>
            Evergreen_cherry_picks: []<br>
            <br>
            to this:<br>
            Evergreen_cherry_picks:
            ['0311de0825084499642407f09e08f63a93b46e6f']<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            Of course, these containers aren't for production use.
            Mostly because the PostgreSQL database is embedded. For
            production, you're going to need to have a PostgreSQL server
            setup separate from your application server(s) or at the
            very least, not in the docker container. Because of
            longevity and backup reasons, you'll want that database to
            be preserved and not lost when the container stops.<br>
            <br>
            Building a container that connects to an external PostgreSQL
            server require some small tweaks to the "generic-dockerhub"
            build.<br>
            <br>
            These variables:<br>
            <br>
              database_host: localhost<br>
              database_database: evergreen<br>
              database_port: 5432<br>
              database_user: evergreen<br>
              database_password: databasepassword<br>
            <br>
            will need to be changed to fit your external PostgreSQL
            server.<br>
            <br>
            And, you're going to need to manually edit the
            install_evergreen.yml ansible playbook so that it doesn't*
            install PostgreSQL and* it doesn't install the Evergreen
            database. This is important because If you forget to delete
            portion of the install playbook that installs the Evergreen
            database, it's possible that the container will delete and
            recreate your database on your PostgreSQL server.<br>
            <br>
            All of the above is docker-specific information. I only went
            into such detail because it seemed like you were interested
            in that path.<br>
            <br>
            Aside from using docker, you can install Evergreen onto a VM
            using other methods: <a href="https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=server_installation:semi_automated" target="_blank">https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=server_installation:semi_automated</a>
            <br>
            <br>
            Specifically this one: <a href="https://github.com/berick/evergreen-ansible-installer/tree/ubuntu-22.04" target="_blank">https://github.com/berick/evergreen-ansible-installer/tree/ubuntu-22.04</a><br>
            <br>
            That repository should get a bare Linux OS setup for you
            without much fuss. Though, you'll need to switch to Ubuntu
            instead of Debian Bookworm, because Ubuntu 22.04 is one of
            the assumptions of that setup.<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            Another thing I'd like to mention: community demo servers
            are available here:<br>
            <br>
            <a href="https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=community_servers" target="_blank">https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=community_servers</a><br>
            <br>
            <br>
            Hopefully someday soon, we can make more of these things
            obvious from our website. I understand that our wiki makes
            some of these important pieces of information hard to find!<br>
            <br>
            And in case you didn't find our documentation, it's here: <a href="https://docs.evergreen-ils.org" target="_blank">https://docs.evergreen-ils.org</a><br>
            <br>
            <pre cols="72">-Blake-
Conducting Magic
Will consume any data format
MOBIUS</pre>
            <br>
            <br>
            <div>On 11/2/2024 10:24 AM, Dashamir Hoxha wrote:<br>
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                  <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On
                      Sat, Nov 2, 2024 at 1:01 AM Blake Graham-Henderson
                      via Evergreen-general <<a href="mailto:evergreen-general@list.evergreen-ils.org" target="_blank">evergreen-general@list.evergreen-ils.org</a>>
                      wrote:</span></div>
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                    <div> Dashamir,<br>
                      <br>
                      Responding to your IRC comments. Have you taken a
                      look at the docker build stuff that we have on
                      github?<br>
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                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Dear Blake, thanks
                      for your reply. And also thanks for responding by
                      email (I prefer email communication versus IRC).</div>
                  </div>
                  <div><br>
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                    <div> <a href="https://github.com/mcoia/eg-docker" target="_blank">https://github.com/mcoia/eg-docker</a><br>
                      <br>
                      And the docker images that are pre-built available
                      on dockerhub:<br>
                      <br>
                      <a href="https://hub.docker.com/r/mobiusoffice/evergreen-ils" target="_blank">https://hub.docker.com/r/mobiusoffice/evergreen-ils</a><br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      This might also be of interest:<br>
                      <br>
                      <a href="https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=newdevs:testserver" target="_blank">https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=newdevs:testserver</a><br>
                      <br>
                      Feel free to copy anything from these repos and
                      plug it into your repo.<br>
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                    <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">I didn't know about
                      this stuff. If I knew, I could have tried to use
                      your docker images instead of trying to build
                      mine. Does it support the latest stable release of
                      EG (have you tried it)?</div>
                    <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
                    </div>
                    <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Anyway, I had a
                      quick look at the GitHub repo, and it is difficult
                      for me to figure out from it what is wrong in my
                      installation. It is basically bash code, embedded
                      into ansible yaml code, executed inside a docker
                      container (3 levels of complexity). I also have to
                      admit that I am not quite familiar with ansible.</div>
                    <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
                    </div>
                    <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">In any case, the
                      installation instructions of EG (long and complex
                      as they are) are easier for me to understand.</div>
                    <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">So, if I follow
                      them but I am still not able to make it work, it
                      means that:</div>
                    <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">- they are not as
                      clear and precise and they should be</div>
                    <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">- there is some
                      issue (maybe very small) with the latest stable
                      release (I have not tried the previous releases)</div>
                    <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">- I am missing
                      something or I am doing something wrong</div>
                    <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                  <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">If
                    someone could help me (in an online meeting, in an
                    interactive session) to debug my installation and
                    figure out what I am doing wrong, this would be the
                    easiest thing for me.</div>
                  <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
                  </div>
                  <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Anyway,
                    for the time being I am looking at Koha, which seems
                    to be easier to install and has less instructions.
                    If I fail, I will look maybe at some thind option (I
                    don't know yet what this might be), or come back and
                    give another try to EG.</div>
                  <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
                  </div>
                  <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">In
                    any case, thanks for your help.</div>
                  <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
                  </div>
                  <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Sincerely,</div>
                  <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Dashamir</div>
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