<div dir="ltr">.... and the new text box didn't save on the doc page ... one second...<div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Rogan Hamby <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rogan.hamby@gmail.com" target="_blank">rogan.hamby@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">OK, I can't spend anymore time on this right now but here are links for two versions of the fourth proofing copy. This one is similar in size to what you've been seeing and is the kind for "normal" reading:<div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/u7bcexxdu41bps0/Evergreen%20Annual%20Report%202017%20proofing%20copy%204%20web%20version.pdf?dl=0" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/<wbr>u7bcexxdu41bps0/Evergreen%<wbr>20Annual%20Report%202017%<wbr>20proofing%20copy%204%20web%<wbr>20version.pdf?dl=0</a></div><div><br></div><div>This is the uncompressed version I need to send to printers and more useful for squinting level details:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/yltj8sr6s4leetg/Evergreen%20Annual%20Report%202017%20proofing%20copy%204%20print%20version.pdf?dl=0" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/<wbr>yltj8sr6s4leetg/Evergreen%<wbr>20Annual%20Report%202017%<wbr>20proofing%20copy%204%20print%<wbr>20version.pdf?dl=0</a></div><div><br></div><div>Aside from the changes I replied to here are my notes of my changes (apologies for not making these for my earlier rushed edits):</div><div><br></div><div><div>cover, transparency still too close to evergreen color, upped by 7%</div><div>introduction - text awkward, kenrning tools too time consuming, tweaking box size to make a bit more natural looking </div><div>page 5 middle column too close to left column due to lead on organizations , moving over closer to right to create more visual centering (though it's technically now off center)</div><div>page 5 slight rewrite on text to make it more visually balanced</div><div>page 3 shrinking columns and moving them a apart a bit to create more space between them, eye is tracking across rather than down too easily</div><div>page 3 - big negative space is kind of distracting, putting, odd behavior with the glyphs for the bullet points is causing issues so rebuilding, moving longer textual list entries to bottom so that I can do something with the title to reduce impact of negative space, I'm still not happy with it but it looks a bit more distinct now so better, given time I'd do more here</div><div>page 7 - caption a bit too close to image</div><div>page 7 - slight rewording to make text fit in box more naturally (proper kerning tools are over rated anyway)</div><div>page 7 - fix justification on caption, reduce linespacing to make it less main-texty and change to 0/0/0/80 cmyk to offset it</div><div>page 7 - move right columns over to make text more natural looking and provide a bit of column spacing </div><div>page 8 - these columns must die. fun fact: long words are not fun for layout</div><div>page 9 - side bar / body text standardize to 11 pt, fix alignment and spacing to look more natural</div><div>Evergreen's documentation is a huge asset to our community. And when I say huge, I'm not joking: at the time of writing, the official 3.0 manual sprawls across 832 pages in its PDF form. It's challenging to get the right content to the right people in such a large document. The Documentation Interest Group (DIG) spent 2017 on this problem, culminating in the release of eight new manuals, each developed for a specific audience. Catalogers now have a manual of their own, as do acquisitions staff, front-line circulation staff, reference staff, serials staff, and system administrators. A separate manual also helps system administrators and developers who want to integrate Evergreen with other applications. All manuals are available at <a href="http://docs.evergreen-ils.org" target="_blank">docs.evergreen-ils.org</a>.</div><div><br></div><div>And I've started the very, very first steps towards a style guide which is to say just barely enough to make sure I don't leave it at this for the future:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WMNObAeyCzS5GljTjga5NV8pRpvT9SLlHtQztnCOqPw/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/<wbr>document/d/<wbr>1WMNObAeyCzS5GljTjga5NV8pRpvT9<wbr>SLlHtQztnCOqPw/edit?usp=<wbr>sharing</a><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Ruth Frasur <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:director@hagerstownlibrary.org" target="_blank">director@hagerstownlibrary.<wbr>org</a>></span> wrote:<br></span><div><div class="h5"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Rogan, you're a treasure. That is all. And, agreed, it's better to be a verb than a noun, imo. As far as the greens go, rock on. I can see where there'd be love. I can also agree that qualitative arguments (though there really isn't one here) should be settled via karaoke battles. REALLY contentious ones might require interpretive dance. Good thing I try to avoid contention whenever possible. </div><div class="m_1130868649593998694HOEnZb"><div class="m_1130868649593998694h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 8:07 AM, Rogan Hamby <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rogan.hamby@gmail.com" target="_blank">rogan.hamby@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">1. Font issue should be fixed now thanks to xml editing.<div>2. Technically not but for reasons that matter to no one. Regardless, should look better now.</div><div>3. Yeah, I wondered how that much color and brightness would look to folks. It's an experiment. I've had other feedback that it's the favorite part of the report to some others. So, I'm going to chalk that one up to a contentious matter of taste and leave as is. We can have a debate at the conference where the loser has to sing karaoke if need be. I'm also starting to think that all matters of dispute that are qualitative rather than quantitative should be settled via karaoke battles. </div><div>4. I'm going to spare you my rant on how text box cloning _should_ work and visually center them with the common 'y' character as a vertical guide. Let me know how it look in proof 4 when I send that out (shortly).</div><div>5. Thank you. There are some stray pixel issues but I don't think they'll be noticeable to anyone at scale when printed. I enjoy spending some time when I can on those kinds of bits and pieces.</div><div>6. I thought it was cooler to be a verb than noun. (joking aside, fixed)</div><div>7. Interesting note, since in the layout program you have all these border markers that you need for objects it makes it really hard to visually identify centers on small objects which is why some layout software give you relative object alignments to show you how the centers/edges align are when you select an active object. Tragically that's not available here. Also I can't actually center it because of how it does overlapping objects of that size but I can do something else that will create the same effect (first line offset). Good catch, thank you.</div><div><br></div><div>Nitpicking is exactly what is needed, so thank you for it.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><span>On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 3:14 PM, Ruth Frasur <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:director@hagerstownlibrary.org" target="_blank">director@hagerstownlibrary.or<wbr>g</a>></span> wrote:<br></span><div><div class="m_1130868649593998694m_8143735182533324964h5"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">My comments are as follows, and with deep recognition that you've been working a LOT and this makes me feel nit picky. <div>1. There seem to be a lot of fonts. I wouldn't say it's weirdness, but a lot. Most notably, to my mind, are the two text areas on the last page. My eye expected them to be what seems to be the standard san serif font throughout, but it's not. </div><div>2. The logo on the back page seems like it's a little close on the left hand side.</div><div>3. On page 9, there are essentially 6 colors ranging from green-blue to fluorescent green. That's a lot of green. Grant, we're Evergreen. </div><div>4. The headers on pages 7 & 8 are off. The text seems too close to the horizontal edge. On pg. 8, too close to the vertical edge.</div><div>5. The Kentucky collage on pg. 6 is awesome.</div><div>6. On the acknowledgements page, everyone else is a proofreader but I'm proofreading. </div><div>7. On the center teal bar on the acknowledgements page, the white text is off vertical center.</div><div><br></div><div>Enough nit picking for me. I didn't notice any glaring grammatical or spelling errors. </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="m_1130868649593998694m_8143735182533324964m_228532612627662766h5">On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Rogan Hamby <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rogan.hamby@gmail.com" target="_blank">rogan.hamby@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="m_1130868649593998694m_8143735182533324964m_228532612627662766h5"><div dir="ltr">OK, clearly I missed my self imposed deadline of 2 pm. There was enough feedback that I couldn't get it all in plus the things I noticed. But thanks to the wonders of modern technology and mobile hotspots on phones I've continued to plug away at it. <div><br></div><div>All of this is relevant because with my laptop screen but without additional monitors so it's hard to jump between all the additional windows to track font changes and such but I _think_ I've gotten the fonts standardized. Another pass will be needed. If you still see font weirdness please don't hesitate to say something. How Scribus handles fonts .... well, let's just say it's not intuitive. I have unkind adjectives in mind but it is at least consistent so I can work around it even if it makes absolutely no sense why it's doing it in the first place. And I'm thinking the manual editing of the XML I did at the beginning may be needed again. Anyway....<br></div><div><br></div><div>I'm still finding some small layout tweaks. You may notice them. I haven't logged them as everyone else has been so kind to do. </div><div><br></div><div>Uh..... I have a lot of thoughts but time is short and I don't remember most of them. But I think all the changes are in. I do however want to highlight something that has been driving me nuts and that Andrea mentioned: kerning. </div><div><br></div><div>I think some of the text flows look ... not good. Scribus does not have smart kerning like InDesign or Quark or ... other modern commercial software layout tools. For the most part Scribus has been decent but when it fails it really fails. We could just justify everything to both sides like a newspaper but that would look just as bad just different. The thing about kerning is that it's time consuming to do manually and small text changes can make it all mute so I'm not going to tackle it until I feel sure text changes aren't incoming and even then I'm not sure I'll have time to really go through it all. </div><div><br></div><div>That will be tomorrow.</div><div><br></div><div> Proofing copy 3 is attached.</div></div>
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