[OPEN-ILS-DEV] PATCH: osrf_json_utils.h (scientific notation)

Scott McKellar mck9 at swbell.net
Sun Dec 16 00:23:54 EST 2007


I've been working on this issue today and I'm about halfway there.
I think.  I hope to post some patches tomorrow but I make no promises.

There are a number of judgement calls about how to handle various
situations.  I will discuss them in some detail when I post.

Meanwhile I'd like to articulate a point of view that I think should
be considered.  I'm not sure how much I agree with this point of view
but it may be useful to raise the issues.

Begin manifesto:

JSON is structured text.  Period.  It defines a set of well-formed
sequences of characters.  That's all it does.

The semantics of that text are entirely the province of the
application.  JSON doesn't care what tags you use or how you arrange
them or what kinds of values may validly be assigned to them or what
those values mean.  The application does that.

JSON defines a number token as a sequence of characters fitting a
particular pattern.  The mathematical significance of those character
sequences are none of JSON's concern.  That's for the application
to worry about.

Implication: the JSON-related code should not translate between
character strings and any of the various ways of representing numbers,
be they ints, longs, doubles, or whatever.  The JSON-related code 
should simply deliver character strings to the application, and 
receive character strings from the application.  Let the application
decide how to do that translation.

If the JSON-related code tries to do the numerical translations, it
will inevitably make decisions that may be appropriate for some
applications -- even most applications -- but not for others.

What sort of numeric representation do we want to use?  Ints?  Longs?
Long longs?  Doubles?  Long doubles?  Do we support infinities and
NANs?  What limits do we apply?  What if the application wants to use 
some kind of high-precision library that supports thousands of digits?

If we find ourselves converting a floating point type to an integral
type, how do we handle the rounding?  Truncate up or down?  What about
negatives -- toward or away from zero?  Or maybe banker's rounding?
What do we do if the floating point number is too big (or too small)
to be converted to an integral type?

If we convert a number to a string, how many digits do we retain to
the right of the decimal?  Do we include leading or trailing zeros?
If it happens to be an integer, do we tack a decimal point on the
end?  Do we use periods or commas for the decimal point?  Do we
support hex and octal?  Or do we just take whatever we get from 
snprintf() and its relatives?

We can answer all these questions in ways that will work for Evergreen.
However OSRF should not be constrained by the peculiarities of
Evergreen, even if those peculiarities aren't very peculiar.

Conclusion: OSRF should not include such functions as
jsonObjectGetNumber() and jsonObjectSetNumber().  All interfaces to
the JSON-related functions should encode numeric values solely 
as character strings.

Certainly it may be convenient to have something like
jsonObjectGetNumber().  However any such convenience should be
implemented within Evergreen, or whatever other application, built 
upon the public interface of the JSON code.

We won't get to that point immediately, and it will take a fair
amount of work to get there.  Fortunately Evergreen reportedly does
very little arithmetic on any data stored in jsonObjects, so the
changes will probably be pretty manageable.  The result will be a
cleaner, more generic API for OSRF.

...end of manifesto.

As expressed above, this point of view may be a bit extreme.  In
particular, it is appropriate for OSRF to handle some of the semantic
issues, namely those surrounding UTF8.  It does not follow that it
should handle the issues surrounding numeric representation.

Scott McKellar
http://home.swbell.net/mck9/ct/


--- Mike Rylander <mrylander at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Dec 15, 2007 10:29 PM, Mike Rylander <mrylander at gmail.com> wrote:
> > -------UPDATE----------
> >
> > Bill and I have been discussing this off-line, and we both agree
> that
> > such an API addition (but leaving jsonObjectGetNumber() to return a
> > double) is both warranted and, in at least one case for some new
> code
> > we'd like to integrate, needed.  I've taken a look at the code that
> > would need to change, but it's far into a very busy day for me to
> 
> That's "too far into a very busy day."  See what I mean?
> 
> > tackle right now.  Bill, if you feel like jumping on this, please
> just
> > poke the list.  Scott, likewise.  If no one responds then I'll get
> out
> > my pokin' stick and see what I can do.  I think I see the clear
> path,
> > it'll just take a bit of refactoring in the parser and such.
> >
> 
> --miker
> 



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