[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Hosted Evergreen
Laureen Marchand
laureen.marchand at usask.ca
Mon Jul 30 11:08:26 EDT 2007
Thanks for the help!
Laureen Marchand
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Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:36:06 -0400
From: "Dan Scott" <denials at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Hosted Applications?
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On 27/07/07, Laureen Marchand <laureen.marchand at usask.ca> wrote:
>
> This is an Evergreen for Dummies question. I am a newly-interested
possible
> Evergreen client, but my library consortium is very small, and we can't do
> support or self-hosting. Can someone direct me to vendors who might do
that?
> Thanks.
Hi Laureen:
That isn't a dummies question at all; I'm sure there are lots of
people wondering that.
There are two companies that I'm aware of that currently offer support
and hosting services for Evergreen:
* Equinox (http://esilibrary.com/esi/services.html) - this company was
formed by the team that originally developed the bulk of Evergreen for
Georgia PINES. Equinox has also been selected to provide install
services and support for BC PINES, and the company's developers are
very active on the open-ils-dev and open-ils-general mailing lists.
* LibLime (http://liblime.com/products/evergreen) - perhaps best known
for their work with Koha, LibLime was contracted to do some
development work (the SIP2 self-checkout client, I believe) for
Evergreen by Georgia PINES.
Slightly off-topic aside to the maintainers of the open-ils.org FAQ,
it says to inquire on the mailing list for information about
commercial support of Evergreen -- shouldn't that answer just provide
a list of links to the various companies offering commercial support?
After a while, as the interest in Evergreen grows, it might be
tiresome to answer this question too often -- and isn't that the point
of an FAQ? Compare to http://www.postgresql.org/support/, actually,
which recognizes that support will be such a FAQ that they dedicate a
whole section to it... Maybe we should change "Mailing lists" to
"Support" in the header and follow the PostgreSQL approach...
Dan Scott
(P.S. Hello to another fellow Canadian!)
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 08:23:01 -0400
From: "Jami Miller" <millerj at franklin.edu>
Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Re: Evergreen Start Up Questions (Mike
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Thanks so much for all the info! Very helpful:)
Jami
Jami Miller
Systems Librarian
Franklin University Library/Phillips Hall
303 South Grant Avenue
Columbus, OH 43215
614.947.6561
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7. RE: Importing Bibliographic Information (Deanna Frazee)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:40:20 -0400
From: "John van Rassel" <jvanrassel at innisfil.ca>
Subject: RE: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Staff Client for Evergreen 1.2.0-rc1
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Thanks for the response.
I did eventually find the page, and got it working. I ran through the
steps for manual install, and that got it working
As far as getting it working under windows, I installed the xulrunner,
and then copied the client directory to my windows machine and it seemed
to work fine
Thanks
John van Rassel
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Hey John:
Sorry for the delay -- the short answer is that I forgot to create the
symbolic links in the image that the staff client depends on for
versioning purposes. :(
http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=mozilla-devel:building_the_staf
f_client
points in the right general direction. I've asked Jason if he could
augment that page with the necessary information for the current
Windows client; I've got notes lying around somewhere but am in an
all-day meeting.
--
Dan Scott
Laurentian University
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:58:13 -0400
From: "Don McMorris" <don.mcmorris at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Evergreen Start Up Questions
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On 7/26/07, Jami Miller <MillerJ at franklin.edu> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am researching the transition from a commercial ILS system to an open
source ILS system and have a couple questions:
>
> 1. What commercial system was PINES using prior to the Evergreen
implementation?
>
I believe it was DRA/Dynix Classic, but I'm not 100% sure...
> 2. Was the previous system supporting a consortia or did the consortia
form after the Evergreen implementation?
>
The previous system supported the PINES consortium. I believe other
libraries were brought in after migration, but the majority existed
prior on the old system.
> 3. If so, did each library maintain its own installation that talked to a
central system or was the original commercial implementation completely
centralized? (I have read about the 5 year contract expiring and wonder if
each server at each institution was expiring at the same time or only one at
a central location)
>
As far as I know, the original system was housed on servers at a
central location. This is the same way the current system is
implemented.
>
> Any info would be greatly appreciated!
>
On the Open-ILS page (http://www.open-ils.org) has a link to "BC
PINES". BC PINES is (as I understand it) an attempt to build a
province-wide library consortia similar to GA PINES. In this case
(again, as I understand it), the plan is to build a new system and
import the data from the members that decide to join. This case is a
little different than GA's implementation, as there will be several
ILS's merging into 1 instead of a simple 1:1 migration. I have no
doubt, though, that it won't be too bad... Evergreen is flexible like
that ;)
> Thanks so much,
You're welcome! If you have any more questions, please don't hesitate
to contact the list(s)! Also, feel free to test-drive the staff
client, the OPAC, or your own full-blown installation on VMWare, all
of which are available at the Open-ILS web site
(http://www.open-ils.org)
>
> Jami Miller
>
>
>
>
>
> Jami Miller
> Systems Librarian
> Franklin University Library/Phillips Hall
> 303 South Grant Avenue
> Columbus, OH 43215
> 614.947.6561
>
>
>
--Don
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:03:02 -0400
From: Jason Stephenson <jstephenson at mailserv.mvlc.lib.ma.us>
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Importing Bibliographic Information
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Don, et al.,
Thanks for the information about the 852 tag. This is very helpful.
I have so far tried importing about 850,000 bib records into Evergreen
from our Horizon database, and the process did not go well. Apparently,
our Core 2 Duo with 4 GB of RAM cannot handle processing all 850,000
bibs at once, so I will have to break it up into chunks.
I'm wondering if you have any benchmarks for how much RAM/CPU resources
the conversion programs use per X number of records. The
direct_ingest.pl on my test machine segfaulted after about 250,000
records. I'm assuming that I'll need to load them in batches of 50,000
to 100,000 to be successful.
Also, for Deanna, I have a specific question. Can you tell me what
parameters you used for your export target in Horizon to get your item
info into the 852, please? I'm looking at this for our consoritum right
now and while I have some ideas, it would save me a lot of time teasing
it out if I had someone else's to look at.
Cheers,
Jason
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:49:48 -0500
From: "Deanna Frazee" <dfrazee at ci.killeen.tx.us>
Subject: RE: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Importing Bibliographic Information
To: <open-ils-general at list.georgialibraries.org>
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We set up the export_target table in Horizon to use the following
subfields for the test data:
b=Location
c=Collection
k=Call
t=Copy
x=Notes
z=CKI_notes
As you have probably noted, we did not take all of the data we should
have--particularly price, vendor and current status. This was just a
test run, and we just wanted to take enough to let us see how things
were going to look. OCLC has a complete list of what should go in each
subfield of the 852 at www.oclc.org/bibformats/en/8xx/852.shtm.
So far, we just haven't had time to look at transferring patron data,
but I hope we will have time to do that in late August. If anyone has
some spare time they can loan me....
Deanna Frazee
Killeen City Library System
(254) 501-8995
(254) 501-7704 (fax)
dfrazee at ci.killeen.tx.us
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> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 2:03 PM
> To: open-ils-general at list.georgialibraries.org
> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Importing Bibliographic Information
>
> Don, et al.,
>
> Thanks for the information about the 852 tag. This is very helpful.
>
> I have so far tried importing about 850,000 bib records into Evergreen
> from our Horizon database, and the process did not go well.
Apparently,
> our Core 2 Duo with 4 GB of RAM cannot handle processing all 850,000
> bibs at once, so I will have to break it up into chunks.
>
> I'm wondering if you have any benchmarks for how much RAM/CPU
resources
> the conversion programs use per X number of records. The
> direct_ingest.pl on my test machine segfaulted after about 250,000
> records. I'm assuming that I'll need to load them in batches of 50,000
> to 100,000 to be successful.
>
> Also, for Deanna, I have a specific question. Can you tell me what
> parameters you used for your export target in Horizon to get your item
> info into the 852, please? I'm looking at this for our consoritum
right
> now and while I have some ideas, it would save me a lot of time
teasing
> it out if I had someone else's to look at.
>
> Cheers,
> Jason
>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:59:25 -0400
From: Jason Stephenson <jstephenson at mailserv.mvlc.lib.ma.us>
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Importing Bibliographic Information
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Deanna,
Thank you very much for the info. which I deleted in my reply. That is
most helpful and will get me more than started. I'll look at the link
you included as well, since the more information I can get the better.
>
> So far, we just haven't had time to look at transferring patron data,
> but I hope we will have time to do that in late August. If anyone has
> some spare time they can loan me....
Right now, I'm thinking that I will see how the patron data is laid out
in Evergreen and then write a perl or SQL to dump our patron data from
horizon into a tab-delimited file that I can just load into our
Evergreen database. First, I want to get bibs and items in there.
I'm thinking that something similar would work for statistical data, but
that's trickier to get at in Horizon since that part of the system is
not very well documented. (At least, not that I've seen.)
We're perfectly willing to share anything that we come up with for
Horizon to Evergreen migration. Right now, we are exploring Evergreen as
an option. We don't know what we're going to do when the time comes, but
we're expecting to move to something else in 2009. However, I'd like to
know what I need to do for a full migration, so I can tell the directors
in my consortium that a switch to Evergreen would likely take X days, etc.
Cheers,
Jason
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:07:39 -0400
From: "Mike Rylander" <mrylander at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Evergreen Start Up Questions
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Hi Jami, and thanks Don! Just a couple minor clarifications...
On 7/26/07, Don McMorris <don.mcmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/26/07, Jami Miller <MillerJ at franklin.edu> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am researching the transition from a commercial ILS system to an open
source ILS system and have a couple questions:
> >
> > 1. What commercial system was PINES using prior to the Evergreen
implementation?
> >
>
> I believe it was DRA/Dynix Classic, but I'm not 100% sure...
It was Unicorn, actually. Same vendor now a-days, though. :)
[snip]
> > 3. If so, did each library maintain its own installation that talked to
a central system or was the original commercial implementation completely
centralized? (I have read about the 5 year contract expiring and wonder if
each server at each institution was expiring at the same time or only one at
a central location)
> >
>
> As far as I know, the original system was housed on servers at a
> central location. This is the same way the current system is
> implemented.
>
It was on a single central ($2M+) Solaris server, yes. Now PINES is
on a central cluster of about 30 Linux servers (failover, HA, etc) for
about 1/8 the total cost.
--miker
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:07:15 -0500
From: "Deanna Frazee" <dfrazee at ci.killeen.tx.us>
Subject: RE: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Importing Bibliographic Information
To: <open-ils-general at list.georgialibraries.org>
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Jason,
> I'm thinking that something similar would work for statistical data,
but
> that's trickier to get at in Horizon since that part of the system is
> not very well documented. (At least, not that I've seen.)
I'm not sure what it would take to modify it, but Alpha-G created
Enriched Statistics for Horizon. It's a much nicer stats program than
what Horizon already has, and I am hoping that they can easily adapt it
to Evergreen.
Deanna Frazee
Killeen City Library System
(254) 501-8995
(254) 501-7704 (fax)
dfrazee at ci.killeen.tx.us
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