[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] [Evergreen-web-team] adding a page to the wiki

Ben Shum bshum at biblio.org
Fri Apr 6 19:25:40 EDT 2012


Been swamped with an upgrade recently and didn't get a chance to poke at 
getting some attention on this yet.

Anoop around to poke at this?

-- Ben

On 3/30/2012 9:24 PM, Ben Shum wrote:
> Wow, those Webalizer stats are from Penguin (the web server before the 
> current one and haven't been updated since April 2011).  I guess 
> that's when Anoop setup Piwik to begin tracking data, cause it looks 
> like we have web stats from May 2011 forward on the new server.  
> Personally Piwik > Webalizer.  :)
>
> RE: original topic (might be time for a new thread?)...  I can add a 
> new link, but feel obliged to point out that renaming existing links 
> to pages may require further scrutiny of the associated pages those 
> links point to.  We'll need to carefully review what the link 
> currently is named, what page it's pointing to, and what changes need 
> to be made to the page in order to accommodate the new link name.  Or 
> alternatively, compose entirely new page information for certain new 
> concepts.  An example of that is that I think there would need to be a 
> "Community" landing page that incorporates some short summary of what 
> the Evergreen Community is about and how the various other pages tie 
> into it (Mailing List, etc.).  Probably easily adapted from the 
> current Communicate page, but this would have to be done for each menu 
> link renamed for consistency.
>
> Also, adding a new link option or altering the menu options in the 
> planet Evergreen blog is currently administrated by Dan Scott, so he'd 
> also need to be informed of any necessary changes on his end in order 
> to affect a less jarring disparity between the Evergreen website and 
> the planet Evergreen blog site.
>
> If Anoop doesn't get to it before I do, I'll give this a closer look 
> early next week.
>
> -- Ben
>
> On 3/30/12 7:45 PM, Lori Bowen Ayre wrote:
>> We do have this: http://evergreen-ils.org/webalizer/
>>
>> According to the Web Team's survey, the most frequently accessed 
>> pages (based on what people said they do) are the
>> '
>> Official Documentation and the Mailing lists (both at 62.9%)
>> Downloads and Informal Documentation (wiki) both at 60%
>> Official Blog (40%)
>> Community blogs (37%)
>> Search and FAQs (both 34%)
>> Process Documentation (31%)
>> Chat (28%)
>> Develop Code and Report Bugs and Calendar (all 20%)
>> Committees and Working Gruops (14%)
>> About Us (8%)
>>
>> See 
>> http://www.evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=webteam:egwebsite_surveysummary_03172011.pdf
>>
>> More on what we learned about what the community wants is here:
>> http://www.evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=webteam
>>
>> Can we go ahead and change the top level menus so we can incorporate 
>> the User Group stuff.  Then we can fuss with the order later if need 
>> be.  And if so, Ben or Anoop, can you make the changes?
>>
>> Lori
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Ben Shum <bshum at biblio.org 
>> <mailto:bshum at biblio.org>> wrote:
>>
>>     An interesting thought actually.  We *do* have Piwik analytics
>>     tracking activity on the Evergreen website (see
>>     http://evergreen-ils.org/piwik)
>>
>>     I'm not entirely sure how best to read the data, but it does give
>>     us some basic information about which pages people are looking
>>     at.  I'll have to ask Anoop about administration of the Piwik
>>     instance, it looks like we're running on an older version still
>>     and I'm not sure if we're running any of the cron jobs to compile
>>     the statistical data for yearly, etc.
>>
>>     If you click on the "Actions" tab, then go to "Pages", you can
>>     view the top pageviews / unique pageviews per page of the
>>     website.  This doesn't necessarily mean people are clicking
>>     through the menu to these pages (we don't see to have specific
>>     actions setup for tracking yet as "Goals"), but it might be a
>>     general indication of what people are looking at most often for a
>>     given time period (by default it shows you the current date).
>>
>>     Fun thing I enjoy doing is occasionally peeking at the dashboard
>>     entry for Visitor Countries to see if we had any new
>>     international visits :)
>>
>>     Either way, maybe we can use some of the data collected there to
>>     come up with a "most viewed" list order?
>>
>>     -- Ben
>>
>>
>>     On 3/30/2012 6:48 PM, Tara Robertson wrote:
>>>     I might have missed this earlier, but are analytics set up on
>>>     the site? What are the most common things people are looking for
>>>     and using?
>>>
>>>     Thanks everyone for your work on this!!!
>>>     tara
>>>
>>>     On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Lori Bowen Ayre
>>>     <lori.ayre at galecia.com <mailto:lori.ayre at galecia.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         But to address your other point.  I didn't work particularly
>>>         hard on order of the items on the menu.  I"m open to
>>>         suggestions.  Alpha didn't seem quite right so I was trying
>>>         to do something like...most commonly clicked upon at the top
>>>         of the list (based on my own theories...no data).
>>>
>>>         Lori
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Ben Shum <bshum at biblio.org
>>>         <mailto:bshum at biblio.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             Course after I hit send, I realize that the wording was
>>>             altered to "Donate to Evergreen" instead for the
>>>             specific example I selected of a "missing link".
>>>
>>>             Sorry about that, my mistake.
>>>
>>>             -- Ben
>>>
>>>
>>>             On 03/30/2012 04:13 PM, Ben Shum wrote:
>>>>             Neat this sounds great!  But curious on some technical
>>>>             details...
>>>>
>>>>             The order specified for Community and Contribute menu
>>>>             links are different than the existing entries on the
>>>>             site (and it's missing some of the links too, like the
>>>>             "Support Evergreen" link under current Contribute).
>>>>
>>>>             Has there been further discussion in other threads
>>>>             about the menu links and what's included and/or the
>>>>             order for them?
>>>>
>>>>             Will these changes also affect the landing pages
>>>>             associated with the links?  Should communicate.php now
>>>>             instead be community.php page, with appropriate page
>>>>             title, links on that page changed, etc.
>>>>
>>>>             Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>             -- Ben
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             On 03/30/2012 12:43 PM, Lori Bowen Ayre wrote:
>>>>>             Hi Kathy,
>>>>>
>>>>>             Yea, I was torn about the Chat language.  Thanks for
>>>>>             the feedback.  I'm happy to go with your changes.  So
>>>>>             that would be:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>             _Community_
>>>>>
>>>>>             Chat
>>>>>
>>>>>             Mailing Lists
>>>>>
>>>>>             Official Blog
>>>>>
>>>>>             Community Blogs
>>>>>
>>>>>             Users Groups  (note new addition)
>>>>>
>>>>>             Calendar
>>>>>
>>>>>             _Contribute_
>>>>>
>>>>>             Develop Code
>>>>>
>>>>>             Report Bugs
>>>>>
>>>>>             Donate to Evergreen
>>>>>
>>>>>             Committees and Working Groups
>>>>>
>>>>>             Request Feature
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>             Lori
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>             On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Kathy Lussier
>>>>>             <klussier at masslnc.org <mailto:klussier at masslnc.org>>
>>>>>             wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Hi Lori,
>>>>>
>>>>>                 I like using community and contribute.
>>>>>
>>>>>                 However, I would be inclined to put Chat under
>>>>>                 community rather than contribute. Also, I prefer
>>>>>                 the old language “chat” to calling it a “Developer
>>>>>                 Chatroom”. There are non-developers who
>>>>>                 participate or just lurk in IRC, and I wouldn’t
>>>>>                 want to discourage other non-developers from doing
>>>>>                 the same. It’s also used for DIG, reports task
>>>>>                 force, and community meetings, so I would say the
>>>>>                 audience goes beyond developers.
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Otherwise, it looks good to me!
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Kathy
>>>>>
>>>>>                 -------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Kathy Lussier
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Project Coordinator
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative
>>>>>
>>>>>                 (508) 756-0172 <tel:%28508%29%20756-0172>
>>>>>
>>>>>                 (508) 755-3721 <tel:%28508%29%20755-3721> (fax)
>>>>>
>>>>>                 klussier at masslnc.org <mailto:klussier at masslnc.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>                 IM: kmlussier (AOL & Yahoo)
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier
>>>>>
>>>>>                 *From:*evergreen-web-team-bounces at list.evergreen-ils.org
>>>>>                 <mailto:evergreen-web-team-bounces at list.evergreen-ils.org>
>>>>>                 [mailto:evergreen-web-team-bounces at list.evergreen-ils.org
>>>>>                 <mailto:evergreen-web-team-bounces at list.evergreen-ils.org>]
>>>>>                 *On Behalf Of *Lori Bowen Ayre
>>>>>                 *Sent:* Friday, March 30, 2012 12:20 PM
>>>>>                 *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group; Evergreen
>>>>>                 Community Web Team Email List
>>>>>                 *Subject:* Re: [Evergreen-web-team]
>>>>>                 [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] adding a page to the wiki
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Here's what I propose for changing the Menus on
>>>>>                 the Evergreen Home page.  Instead of Communicate
>>>>>                 and Contribute, we make them Community and Contribute.
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Here's what I think should be under Community:
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Mailing Lists
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Official Blog
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Community Blogs
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Users Groups  (note new addition)
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Calendar
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Under Contribute:
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Develop Code
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Report Bugs
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Developer Chatroom (note new language and new
>>>>>                 position on menu)
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Donate to Evergreen (note this is slightly
>>>>>                 different language)
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Committees and Working Groups
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Request Feature (note new language)
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Lori
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Lori Bowen Ayre //
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Library Technology Consultant / The Galecia Group
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Oversight Board & Communications Committee / Evergreen
>>>>>
>>>>>                 (707) 763-6869 <tel:%28707%29%20763-6869> //
>>>>>                 Lori.Ayre at galecia.com <mailto:Lori.Ayre at galecia.com>
>>>>>
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>>>>>                 <http://tungle.me/lori.ayre>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>                 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                 On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 6:20 AM, Gordana Vitez
>>>>>                 <gvitez at niagaracollege.ca
>>>>>                 <mailto:gvitez at niagaracollege.ca>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Drupal has a section called "community" and under
>>>>>                 that:
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Online and local groups
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Events and Meetups
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Chat (IRC)
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Planet Drupal
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Community Spotlight
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Commercial Support
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Forum
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Mailing Lists
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Maybe the "Community" would encapsulate what we
>>>>>                 are trying to do as well?
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Gordana
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                 >>> On 3/27/2012 at 5:16 PM, in message
>>>>>                 <CAJcoVMj=53WVyt-SYjii-qBU7MyaYm-YXe=JQQAN+PhgiO+d9A at mail.gmail.com
>>>>>                 <mailto:JQQAN%2BPhgiO%2Bd9A at mail.gmail.com>>, Dan
>>>>>                 Scott <dan at coffeecode.net
>>>>>                 <mailto:dan at coffeecode.net>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>                 I love the idea to have user group info in the wiki!
>>>>>
>>>>>                 I'm a little concerned about moving from
>>>>>                 "Communicate" to
>>>>>                 "Participate", because the latter seems closer in
>>>>>                 meaning to
>>>>>                 "Contribute" and thus muddies the navigation a bit
>>>>>                 to my mind. But I
>>>>>                 guess one could argue that to communicate is to
>>>>>                 contribute, so things
>>>>>                 are already muddy.
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Has anyone checked what other projects (that we
>>>>>                 admire for their
>>>>>                 community support & clarity of their web site) do?
>>>>>                 Drupal.org &
>>>>>                 Fedoraproject.org have some interesting
>>>>>                 similarities in their
>>>>>                 navigation wording choices...
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Dan
>>>>>
>>>>>                 On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Lori Bowen Ayre
>>>>>                 <lori.ayre at galecia.com
>>>>>                 <mailto:lori.ayre at galecia.com>> wrote:
>>>>>                 > Yep, Ben. That's the idea.  Some of the Web Team
>>>>>                 folks have also already
>>>>>                 > +1'd the idea.  Anyone object?
>>>>>                 >
>>>>>                 > Lori
>>>>>                 >
>>>>>                 > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Ben Shum
>>>>>                 <bshum at biblio.org <mailto:bshum at biblio.org>> wrote:
>>>>>                 >>
>>>>>                 >> Hi Gordana,
>>>>>                 >>
>>>>>                 >> Just to clarify, you and Lori are referring to
>>>>>                 the navigation menu options
>>>>>                 >> on the main Evergreen website?
>>>>>                 >>
>>>>>                 >> I think it's a great idea to modify those areas
>>>>>                 to include references to a
>>>>>                 >> User Group page including the one you've started up.
>>>>>                 >>
>>>>>                 >> Curious to hear feedback from others on this.
>>>>>                 >>
>>>>>                 >> -- Ben
>>>>>                 >>
>>>>>                 >>
>>>>>                 >> On 03/27/2012 04:25 PM, Gordana Vitez wrote:
>>>>>                 >>
>>>>>                 >> Hi there,
>>>>>                 >>
>>>>>                 >> The Evergreen libraries in Niagara have been
>>>>>                 hosting a number of user
>>>>>                 >> group meetings for Evergreen users in Southern
>>>>>                 Ontario. Of course, it's not
>>>>>                 >> limited to the geographic area...we'd love to
>>>>>                 see everyone from all over!
>>>>>                 >>
>>>>>                 >> Nevertheless, we'd like to add our info to the
>>>>>                 wiki and Lori Bowen Ayre
>>>>>                 >> suggested that we change the main menu from
>>>>>                 "Communicate" to "Participate"
>>>>>                 >> and add a "User Group" page off that dropdown.
>>>>>                 >>
>>>>>                 >> Does anyone mind that change?
>>>>>                 >>
>>>>>                 >> Thanks!
>>>>>                 >> Gordana
>>>>>                 >>
>>>>>                 >> Gordana Vitez
>>>>>                 >> Library Services & Systems Coordinator
>>>>>                 >> NC Libraries and Learning Commons
>>>>>                 >> Niagara College
>>>>>                 >> 300 Woodlawn Rd
>>>>>                 >> Welland Ontario
>>>>>                 >> L3C 7L3
>>>>>                 >> Phone: (905) 735 2211 ext 7404
>>>>>                 <tel:%28905%29%20735%202211%20ext%207404>
>>>>>                 >> Fax: (905) 736 6021 <tel:%28905%29%20736%206021>
>>>>>                 >> gvitez at niagaracollege.ca
>>>>>                 <mailto:gvitez at niagaracollege.ca>
>>>>>                 >>
>>>>>                 >>
>>>>>                 >> --
>>>>>                 >> Benjamin Shum
>>>>>                 >> Open Source Software Coordinator
>>>>>                 >> Bibliomation, Inc.
>>>>>                 >> 32 Crest Road
>>>>>                 >> Middlebury, CT 06762
>>>>>                 >> 203-577-4070, ext. 113
>>>>>                 <tel:203-577-4070%2C%20ext.%20113>
>>>>>                 >
>>>>>                 >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             -- 
>>>>             Benjamin Shum
>>>>             Open Source Software Coordinator
>>>>             Bibliomation, Inc.
>>>>             32 Crest Road
>>>>             Middlebury, CT 06762
>>>>             203-577-4070, ext. 113  <tel:203-577-4070%2C%20ext.%20113>
>>>
>>>             -- 
>>>             Benjamin Shum
>>>             Open Source Software Coordinator
>>>             Bibliomation, Inc.
>>>             32 Crest Road
>>>             Middlebury, CT 06762
>>>             203-577-4070, ext. 113  <tel:203-577-4070%2C%20ext.%20113>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>     -- 
>>     Benjamin Shum
>>     Open Source Software Coordinator
>>     Bibliomation, Inc.
>>     32 Crest Road
>>     Middlebury, CT 06762
>>     203-577-4070, ext. 113  <tel:203-577-4070%2C%20ext.%20113>
>>
>>
>
> -- 
> Benjamin Shum
> Open Source Software Coordinator
> Bibliomation, Inc.
> 32 Crest Road
> Middlebury, CT 06762
> 203-577-4070, ext. 113

-- 
Benjamin Shum
Open Source Software Coordinator
Bibliomation, Inc.
32 Crest Road
Middlebury, CT 06762
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