[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** Importing from ISBN

Mary Llewellyn mllewell at biblio.org
Wed Oct 17 09:37:27 EDT 2012 

According to my experience, they aren't. Elaine is right about how
publishers  reuse them for different editions of the same title, and how
often children's titles are assigned the same number as another book. We've
seen it when book cover images, based on ISBN, are mismatched to the bib
record in the online catalog. As a single identifier, the ISBN is not 100%
reliable. 

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According to my research, ISBNs are unique.

http://www.isbn.org/standards/home/isbn/us/major.asp


Cassondra L Vick

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Importing from ISBN (Hardy, Elaine)
   2. ***SPAM*** Re:  Importing from ISBN (Andrew Morton)
   3. Unique bar codes - FYI (Nancy Grant)


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Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 13:48:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Hardy, Elaine" <ehardy at georgialibraries.org>
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Importing from ISBN
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And since added content vendors rely solely on ISBNs, we often have to
request corrections to which title that added content is applied to

Elaine

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J. Elaine Hardy
PINES Bibliographic Projects & Metadata Manager Georgia Public Library
Service
1800 Century Place, Ste 150
Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304

404.235-7128
404.235-7201, fax
ehardy at georgialibraries.org
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On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Andrew Morton <andymorton at btinternet.com>
wrote:
> So are you saying that there is no unique way to identify a publication?
> Sort of seems like isbn is useless if that is the case....

It's useful enough for the purpose that "added content" vendors rely on it
for providing libraries reviews, jacket images, etc.

It's just not perfect by a longshot, and if you're using them as item
barcodes, you'll probably hit more complications down the road.

-- Jason


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Thanks Elaine!
This has been an eye opening exercise into the world of book and library
information systems!

Many thanks
Andrew



On 11 Oct 2012, at 18:47, "Hardy, Elaine" <ehardy at georgialibraries.org>
wrote:

> There are ways to match an item in hand with a MARC bibliographic record.
Catalogers use a combination of fields to do so. ISBNs are finding aids and
can point you to the correct record but cannot stand by themselves. We use
main title (245), edition (250), publisher (260 b), date of publication (260
c) and pagination (300) as well as other fields for type and format.
>
>
>
> ISBNs aren?t useless, they just aren?t matching points by themselves.
>
>
>
> Elaine
>
>
> J. Elaine Hardy
> PINES Bibliographic Projects & Metadata Manager Georgia Public Library 
> Service
> 1800 Century Place, Ste 150
> Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304
>
> 404.235-7128
> 404.235-7201, fax
> ehardy at georgialibraries.org
> www.georgialibraries.org
> www.georgialibraries.org/pines
>
>
>
> From: open-ils-general-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org
> [mailto:open-ils-general-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf 
> Of Andrew Morton
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 1:19 PM
> To: Evergreen Discussion Group
> Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** Re: Importing from ISBN
>
>
>
> So are you saying that there is no unique way to identify a publication?
>
> Sort of seems like isbn is useless if that is the case....
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11 Oct 2012, at 15:31, "Hardy, Elaine" <ehardy at georgialibraries.org>
wrote:
>
> ISBNs are not matching points. Publishers re-use the all the time, for 
> example (this is a particular problem with children's nonfiction 
> series publishers). You may reach a point where they will no longer 
> tally with the item in hand. Also, older books will not have ISBNs, so 
> depending on the overall collection in your library, you may find that 
> ISBNs are not dependable.
>
> Elaine
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> J. Elaine Hardy
> PINES Bibliographic Projects & Metadata Manager Georgia Public Library 
> Service
> 1800 Century Place, Ste 150
> Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304
>
> 404.235-7128
> 404.235-7201, fax
> ehardy at georgialibraries.org
> www.georgialibraries.org
> www.georgialibraries.org/pines
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:open-ils-general-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf 
> Of Andrew Morton
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 4:36 PM
> To: Evergreen Discussion Group
> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Importing from ISBN
>
> Yea.
> They all seem to tally to the ISBN....
>
> btw, im on a mac, so marcedit may not be available...
>
> Andrew.
>
> On 9 Oct 2012, at 20:59, Jason Etheridge wrote:
>
>
>
> I was thinking that using the fast item add feature in Evergreen's
>
> z39.50 workflow might be what makes it faster than batch loading the
>
> bibs and adding holdings separately.
>
>
>
> Ah, I can see that.  Andrew, are you getting unique barcodes for all
>
> your books?
>
>
>
>
> -- Jason
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Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 14:08:05 -0400
From: Nancy Grant <nbgrant at msad41.us>
Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Unique bar codes - FYI
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Maine State Library has a page devoted to the unique bar codes used by each
library in the state. Many of the bar codes start with the zip code of the
library - small towns often only have one library.

http://maine.gov/infonet/barcodes.htm

Thus, if we all eventually get on one Evergreen database in Maine, we do not
have to re-bar code to have unique numbers.

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> Hello all,
>
> Santa Cruz Public Libraries is using Collection HQ.  However,  I don't 
> have any experience extracting MARC or CSV data, and at this point, we 
> haven't had the need.  I'd suggest you talk to support at Collection HQ.
>
> We began using Collection HQ in January.  We've been very pleased with 
> the weeding reports it generates, although getting our collection up 
> to CHQ is going to take us quite a while. I've used it for several 
> statistical reports since I couldn't (yet) get the data from 
> Evergreen. What I haven't yet been able to extract for CHQ or 
> Evergreen (yet) are circulation reports for a specific periods.
>
> --
> Sue Graziano
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> So are you saying that there is no unique way to identify a publication?
> Sort of seems like isbn is useless if that is the case....
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> On 11 Oct 2012, at 15:31, "Hardy, Elaine"
> <ehardy at georgialibraries.org>
> wrote:
>
> > ISBNs are not matching points. Publishers re-use the all the time, 
> > for example (this is a particular problem with children's nonfiction 
> > series publishers). You may reach a point where they will no longer 
> > tally with the item in hand. Also, older books will not have ISBNs, 
> > so depending on the overall collection in your library, you may find 
> > that ISBNs are not dependable.
> >
> > Elaine
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > J. Elaine Hardy
> > PINES Bibliographic Projects & Metadata Manager Georgia Public 
> > Library Service
> > 1800 Century Place, Ste 150
> > Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304
> >
> > 404.235-7128
> > 404.235-7201, fax
> > ehardy at georgialibraries.org
> > www.georgialibraries.org
> > www.georgialibraries.org/pines
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: open-ils-general-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org
> > [mailto:open-ils-general-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org] On 
> > Behalf Of Andrew Morton
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 4:36 PM
> > To: Evergreen Discussion Group
> > Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Importing from ISBN
> >
> > Yea.
> > They all seem to tally to the ISBN....
> >
> > btw, im on a mac, so marcedit may not be available...
> >
> > Andrew.
> >
> > On 9 Oct 2012, at 20:59, Jason Etheridge wrote:
> >
> >>> I was thinking that using the fast item add feature in Evergreen's
> >>> z39.50 workflow might be what makes it faster than batch loading 
> >>> the bibs and adding holdings separately.
> >>
> >> Ah, I can see that.  Andrew, are you getting unique barcodes for 
> >> all
> > your books?
> >>
> >> -- Jason
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> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Andrew Morton 
> <andymorton at btinternet.com> wrote:
> > So are you saying that there is no unique way to identify a publication?
> > Sort of seems like isbn is useless if that is the case....
>
> It's useful enough for the purpose that "added content" vendors rely 
> on it for providing libraries reviews, jacket images, etc.
>
> It's just not perfect by a longshot, and if you're using them as item 
> barcodes, you'll probably hit more complications down the road.
>
> -- Jason
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 18:41:50 +0100
> From: Andrew Morton <andymorton at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** Re: Importing from ISBN
> To: Evergreen Discussion Group
>         <open-ils-general at list.georgialibraries.org>
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> Jason,
>
> Thanks for the clarification on that- most helpful!
>
> Getting back to the original question on this thread...
> Are we saying that there are 2 methods to add books?
>
> 1) import a batch Marc record. But then it's a manual thing to add it 
> to holdings.
> 2) use a z39.50 server to search for it and use a fast add to add it 
> to holdings in one step?
>
> Regards,
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
> On 11 Oct 2012, at 18:22, Jason Etheridge <jason at esilibrary.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Andrew Morton 
> > <andymorton at btinternet.com> wrote:
> >> So are you saying that there is no unique way to identify a
publication?
> >> Sort of seems like isbn is useless if that is the case....
> >
> > It's useful enough for the purpose that "added content" vendors rely 
> > on it for providing libraries reviews, jacket images, etc.
> >
> > It's just not perfect by a longshot, and if you're using them as 
> > item barcodes, you'll probably hit more complications down the road.
> >
> > -- Jason
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 13:47:32 -0400 (EDT)
> From: "Hardy, Elaine" <ehardy at georgialibraries.org>
> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Importing from ISBN
> To: "'Evergreen Discussion Group'"
>         <open-ils-general at list.georgialibraries.org>
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> There are ways to match an item in hand with a MARC bibliographic record.
> Catalogers use a combination of fields to do so. ISBNs are finding 
> aids and can point you to the correct record but cannot stand by 
> themselves. We use main title (245), edition (250), publisher (260 b), 
> date of publication
> (260
> c) and pagination (300) as well as other fields for type and format.
>
>
>
> ISBNs aren?t useless, they just aren?t matching points by themselves.
>
>
>
> Elaine
>
>   _____
>
>
> J. Elaine Hardy
> PINES Bibliographic Projects & Metadata Manager Georgia Public Library 
> Service
> 1800 Century Place, Ste 150
> Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304
>
> 404.235-7128
> 404.235-7201, fax
> ehardy at georgialibraries.org
> www.georgialibraries.org
> www.georgialibraries.org/pines
>
>
>
>
> From: open-ils-general-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org
> [mailto:open-ils-general-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf 
> Of Andrew Morton
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 1:19 PM
> To: Evergreen Discussion Group
> Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** Re: Importing from ISBN
>
>
>
> So are you saying that there is no unique way to identify a publication?
>
> Sort of seems like isbn is useless if that is the case....
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11 Oct 2012, at 15:31, "Hardy, Elaine"
> <ehardy at georgialibraries.org>
> wrote:
>
> ISBNs are not matching points. Publishers re-use the all the time, for 
> example (this is a particular problem with children's nonfiction 
> series publishers). You may reach a point where they will no longer 
> tally with the item in hand. Also, older books will not have ISBNs, so 
> depending on the overall collection in your library, you may find that 
> ISBNs are not dependable.
>
> Elaine
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> J. Elaine Hardy
> PINES Bibliographic Projects & Metadata Manager Georgia Public Library 
> Service
> 1800 Century Place, Ste 150
> Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304
>
> 404.235-7128
> 404.235-7201, fax
> ehardy at georgialibraries.org
> www.georgialibraries.org
> www.georgialibraries.org/pines
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: open-ils-general-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org
> [mailto:open-ils-general-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf 
> Of Andrew Morton
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 4:36 PM
> To: Evergreen Discussion Group
> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Importing from ISBN
>
> Yea.
> They all seem to tally to the ISBN....
>
> btw, im on a mac, so marcedit may not be available...
>
> Andrew.
>
> On 9 Oct 2012, at 20:59, Jason Etheridge wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I was thinking that using the fast item add feature in Evergreen's
>
> z39.50 workflow might be what makes it faster than batch loading the
>
> bibs and adding holdings separately.
>
>
>
> Ah, I can see that.  Andrew, are you getting unique barcodes for all
>
> your books?
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Jason
>
>
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