[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] I Need Help With Hostname - Server Download

[David Busby]

KD,
  Well, for the moment the server at demo.ils.edoceo.com is offline for
some back-testing purposes - apologies for any inconvenience.  It will
become available again by the end of the week.

/djb



--
David Busby
Edoceo, Inc.
http://edoceo.com/
206.282.6500


On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Tara Robertson <
information.detective at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi KD,
>
> Setting up a server is kinda an involved process. There's documentation:
> http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/2.3/_installing_the_evergreen_server.html
>
> If you want to take a look at Evergreen, you can use the client you
> downloaded and point it at one of the community servers:
> http://www.open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=community_servers#community_demo_servers
>
> So, for the first example, the host name is http://demo.ils.edoceo.com
>
> Can you try that and see if the client works?
>
> Cheers,
> Tara
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:15 PM, K. D. <kd.8 at icloud.com> wrote:
>
>> Tara,
>> What are the steps to download the server?
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2013, at 11:07 AM,
>> open-ils-general-request at list.georgialibraries.org wrote:
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>> > Message: 1
>> > Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 09:07:08 -0800
>> > From: Tara Robertson <information.detective at gmail.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] I Need Help With Hostname
>> > To: Evergreen Discussion Group
>> >    <open-ils-general at list.georgialibraries.org>
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>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I'm still unclear if you downloaded Evergreen and created you own
>> > installation of Evergreen. This would've taken a little while, or if you
>> > downloaded the client, this would've taken about a minute.
>> >
>> > Can you clarify if you set up an Evergreen server, or if you just
>> > downloaded the client?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Tara
>> >
>> > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:54 AM, K. D. <kd.8 at icloud.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hello Jason, Tara and all:
>> >>
>> >> I installed the 2.3 version of evergreen software.  What client
>> version or
>> >> server works with this latest?
>> >>
>> >> Assuming I want to host this locally, what are the steps to host it
>> >> locally?
>> >>
>> >> As always, thank you for your assistance.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:55 AM,
>> >> open-ils-general-request at list.georgialibraries.org wrote:
>> >>
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>> >>> Today's Topics:
>> >>>
>> >>>  1. Re: [OPEN-ILS-DEV] Evergreen & Software Performance Analysis
>> >>>     (Tim Spindler)
>> >>>  2. Re: I Need Help With Hostname (Tara Robertson)
>> >>>  3. Re: [OPEN-ILS-DEV] Evergreen & Software Performance Analysis
>> >>>     (Mike Rylander)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>
>> >>> Message: 1
>> >>> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 11:45:27 -0500
>> >>> From: Tim Spindler <tjspindler at gmail.com>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] [OPEN-ILS-DEV] Evergreen & Software
>> >>>   Performance Analysis
>> >>> To: Evergreen Discussion Group
>> >>>   <open-ils-general at list.georgialibraries.org>
>> >>> Cc: Evergreen Development Discussion List
>> >>>   <open-ils-dev at list.georgialibraries.org>
>> >>> Message-ID:
>> >>>   <CAMAokjPDptvu4ssy+f=7cPBJihVKHzizB-6-YDqOOB6_ke89iw at mail.gmail.com
>> >
>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> >>>
>> >>> Kathy,
>> >>>
>> >>> Are do you want some information like workflows that seem slow?  For
>> >>> instance, just got a report from a library about specific steps they
>> are
>> >>> doing to catalogiing where certain individual processes are slow.
>> >>>
>> >>> Tim
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Kathy Lussier <klussier at masslnc.org
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Hi all,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> It was brought to my attention that everyone who may have some input
>> for
>> >>>> this discussion may not have an Evergreen wiki account. In that case,
>> >>>> please feel free to send an e-mail (to the list, not directly to me)
>> >>>> identifying any performance issues you believe should be addressed
>> >> through
>> >>>> a performance evaluation. I'll be happy to add them to the wiki.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> What I'm looking for is:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 1. Any specific paint points you see in performance.
>> >>>> 2. Any specific questions you think a performance evaluation should
>> >> answer.
>> >>>> 3. Any ideas you might already have regarding causes of performance
>> >>>> problems. In reading through the logs from the "future of the staff
>> >> client"
>> >>>> meeting, I noticed several people said they thought it was important
>> to
>> >>>> bring these ideas together before reaching out to a consultant, and I
>> >> agree
>> >>>> that this is an important first step in the process.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I posted just a few of our local issues at
>> >>
>> http://www.evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=dev:testing:performance_issues
>> >>>> :
>> >>>>
>> >>>> STAFF CLIENT:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Memory leaks - is there an inherent problem with the technology used
>> in
>> >>>> the staff client (xulrunner, Dojo) that is the source of the memory
>> leak
>> >>>> problem and other performance problems?
>> >>>> Slow retrieval of patron records
>> >>>>
>> >>>> MESSAGING (OPENSRF):
>> >>>> Staff client batch operations (e.g. updates/deletes from copy
>> buckets)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> DATABASE:
>> >>>> Catalog search - is there a way to optimize searching in the catalog
>> so
>> >>>> that users get faster results and are able to start re-implementing
>> >> things
>> >>>> like search.relevance_adjustment to provide boosts to relevance
>> ranking?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'm quite sure there are far more pain points out there, so please
>> don't
>> >>>> feel shy about contributing to the list!
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Kathy
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Kathy Lussier
>> >>>> Project Coordinator
>> >>>> Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative(508)
>> >> 343-0128klussier at masslnc.org
>> >>>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 2/25/2013 11:44 AM, Kathy Lussier wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi all,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Having heard no objections to proceeding with finding somebody to do
>> a
>> >>>> software performance analysis, I have created a page on the wiki at
>> >>
>> http://www.open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=dev:testing:performance_issueswherewecan identify the pain points that need further evaluation and add
>> >>>> any questions that we hope a performance analysis might be able to
>> >> answer.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I have started the list off with some basic issues/questions that
>> have
>> >>>> come up in our own systems. During the future of the staff client
>> >> meeting,
>> >>>> Dan Scott had mentioned that there might be three points of
>> >> attack:client,
>> >>>> opensrf, database.  I thought dividing the list into those three
>> areas
>> >>>> might be a good way to start.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'm hoping that all the knowledgeable sys admins out there who have a
>> >>>> stronger understanding of the system architecture than I do can build
>> >> this
>> >>>> list into something that might be a good starting point for any
>> >> performance
>> >>>> evaluation, whether it's done by a third party or by somebody in the
>> >>>> Evergreen community. By identifying the questions we hope a
>> performance
>> >>>> evaluation might answer, we are also identifying what our
>> expectations
>> >> are
>> >>>> before we enter the process. I would want to be clear on our
>> >> expectations
>> >>>> before formally talking to any third party so that we can be fully
>> >> informed
>> >>>> about whether an evaluation could meet those expectations.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Kathy
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Kathy Lussier
>> >>>> Project Coordinator
>> >>>> Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative(508)
>> >> 343-0128klussier at masslnc.org
>> >>>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 2/20/2013 2:26 PM, Mike Rylander wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Kathy Lussier <klussier at masslnc.org
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Hi all,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I wasn't sure if I should add this to the QA discussion, but it
>> seemed
>> >>>>> worthy of its own thread.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> During the "future of the staff client" meeting, I advocated for
>> >> bringing
>> >>>>> in a consultant to do a software performance analysis for Evergreen
>> to
>> >> help
>> >>>>> us identify where the critical bottlenecks are in the system in the
>> >> hopes
>> >>>>> that we could then identify the areas that need to be worked on to
>> >> improve
>> >>>>> performance. At the time, I didn't have any concrete suggestions on
>> >> finding
>> >>>>> a consultant who could take on this project, but I have since done
>> some
>> >>>>> more investigation and have a couple of leads, the most promising of
>> >> which
>> >>>>> is an individual local to Massachusetts who previously worked for
>> many
>> >>>>> years at Stratus Technologies where he was involved in all levels of
>> >>>>> performance analysis. He now teaches graduate-level courses on
>> >> performance
>> >>>>> evaluation and also does contract work.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Now that I actually have concrete leads, I would like to get the
>> ball
>> >>>>> rolling, provided there is support from the larger community. I'm
>> not
>> >> quite
>> >>>>> sure how this might fit in with ESI's planned QA efforts or with the
>> >>>>> possibility of bringing in a firm like OmniTI as Dan suggested, but
>> my
>> >>>>> reading into these QA e-mails is that the focus would be on testing
>> new
>> >>>>> commits.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I want to clarify something that Dan seems to have assumed
>> incorrectly:
>> >>>> that anything ESI does is mutually exclusive with bringing in outside
>> >>>> expertise.  Nobody has any grounds to stop such an effort, and it
>> would
>> >>>> be ridiculous to argue otherwise, words put into my mouth
>> >> notwithstanding.
>> >>>> The initial focus of an ESI effort will be what exists today, through
>> >>>> infrastructure, so that what exists tomorrow can then be tested.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> As for how it would fit in, ESI would absorb and internalize any
>> advice
>> >>>> or direction, just like any other community member, and work within
>> the
>> >>>> community to incorporate that.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> So, why have ESI involved at all?  Besides the fact that we create a
>> >>>> significant portion of the code, and that it benefits us as much as
>> >> anyone
>> >>>> to have a more stable Evergreen, there is a need for ongoing, active
>> >>>> leadership in QA.  The fact is that it has not materialized yet, so
>> >> we're
>> >>>> looking for a way to make that a maintainable proposition for the
>> >>>> community's benefit.  That means ongoing, deep integration with both
>> >>>> developer and user communities.  And that is not something that we
>> can
>> >>>> expect from OmniTI or any other organization that is not plugged into
>> >> those
>> >>>> communities.  Could some other organization step into that role, and
>> >>>> provide years of ongoing QA support?  Perhaps so, but ESI exists
>> today
>> >> and
>> >>>> has the Evergreen expertise needed to avoid long (and costly) ramp-up
>> >> time.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The point is this, though, ESI will encourage any effort to improve
>> >>>> Evergreen, and is willing and able to work in the community, as we
>> >> always
>> >>>> do, to further those efforts.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks, Kathy!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Mike Rylander
>> >>>> | Director of Research and Development
>> >>>> | Equinox Software, Inc. / Your Library's Guide to Open Source
>> >>>> | phone:  1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457)
>> >>>> | email:  miker at esilibrary.com
>> >>>> | web:  http://www.esilibrary.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Tim Spindler
>> >>> tjspindler at gmail.com
>> >>>
>> >>> *P**   Go Green - **Save a tree! Please don't print this e-mail unless
>> >> it's
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>> >>> Message: 2
>> >>> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 08:50:28 -0800
>> >>> From: Tara Robertson <information.detective at gmail.com>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] I Need Help With Hostname
>> >>> To: Evergreen Discussion Group
>> >>>   <open-ils-general at list.georgialibraries.org>
>> >>> Message-ID:
>> >>>   <CALPJNUkfz3s=H9OjPJkWpHyxWYgPkE6ZhDfnmW1_3g1gsyxPWw at mail.gmail.com
>> >
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>> >>>
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>> My hunch also is that you might have just downloaded the client. There
>> >> are
>> >>> some community Evergreen servers:
>> >>
>> http://www.open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=community_servers#community_demo_serversCan
>> >>> you connect to any of them from your computer?
>> >>>
>> >>> Cheers,
>> >>> Tara
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 8:07 AM, Jason Stephenson <
>> jstephenson at mvlc.org
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Quoting "K. D." <kd.8 at icloud.com>:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi Steve Wills and Alexey Lazar:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I installed the software on Windows 7.  Command HOSTNAME does not
>> tell
>> >> me
>> >>>>> anything.  I am currently using local host.  I do appreciate your
>> >> support.
>> >>>> You need a server to connect to. It sounds like you have downloaded
>> the
>> >>>> client. The client by itself is useless without a server.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Jason Stephenson
>> >>>> Assistant Director for Technology Services
>> >>>> Merrimack Valley Library Consortium
>> >>>> Chief Bug Wrangler, Evergreen ILS
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>> >>>
>> >>> Message: 3
>> >>> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 11:55:01 -0500
>> >>> From: Mike Rylander <mrylander at gmail.com>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] [OPEN-ILS-DEV] Evergreen & Software
>> >>>   Performance Analysis
>> >>> To: Evergreen Discussion Group
>> >>>   <open-ils-general at list.georgialibraries.org>
>> >>> Cc: Evergreen Development Discussion List
>> >>>   <open-ils-dev at list.georgialibraries.org>
>> >>> Message-ID:
>> >>>   <CAO8ar=njaCv0zcffhH_oZjR9nMFnU5xT-mVmBgF2rnsr=-uW_g at mail.gmail.com
>> >
>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks, Kathy, this is great!  I've filled in some info that ESI has
>> >>> gathered and experiments toward resolution we've performed.  We'll
>> work
>> >> to
>> >>> keep this up to date with any progress we make.
>> >>>
>> >>> --miker
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Kathy Lussier <klussier at masslnc.org
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Hi all,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> It was brought to my attention that everyone who may have some input
>> for
>> >>>> this discussion may not have an Evergreen wiki account. In that case,
>> >>>> please feel free to send an e-mail (to the list, not directly to me)
>> >>>> identifying any performance issues you believe should be addressed
>> >> through
>> >>>> a performance evaluation. I'll be happy to add them to the wiki.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> What I'm looking for is:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 1. Any specific paint points you see in performance.
>> >>>> 2. Any specific questions you think a performance evaluation should
>> >> answer.
>> >>>> 3. Any ideas you might already have regarding causes of performance
>> >>>> problems. In reading through the logs from the "future of the staff
>> >> client"
>> >>>> meeting, I noticed several people said they thought it was important
>> to
>> >>>> bring these ideas together before reaching out to a consultant, and I
>> >> agree
>> >>>> that this is an important first step in the process.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I posted just a few of our local issues at
>> >>
>> http://www.evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=dev:testing:performance_issues
>> >>>> :
>> >>>>
>> >>>> STAFF CLIENT:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Memory leaks - is there an inherent problem with the technology used
>> in
>> >>>> the staff client (xulrunner, Dojo) that is the source of the memory
>> leak
>> >>>> problem and other performance problems?
>> >>>> Slow retrieval of patron records
>> >>>>
>> >>>> MESSAGING (OPENSRF):
>> >>>> Staff client batch operations (e.g. updates/deletes from copy
>> buckets)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> DATABASE:
>> >>>> Catalog search - is there a way to optimize searching in the catalog
>> so
>> >>>> that users get faster results and are able to start re-implementing
>> >> things
>> >>>> like search.relevance_adjustment to provide boosts to relevance
>> ranking?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'm quite sure there are far more pain points out there, so please
>> don't
>> >>>> feel shy about contributing to the list!
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Kathy
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Kathy Lussier
>> >>>> Project Coordinator
>> >>>> Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative(508)
>> >> 343-0128klussier at masslnc.org
>> >>>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 2/25/2013 11:44 AM, Kathy Lussier wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi all,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Having heard no objections to proceeding with finding somebody to do
>> a
>> >>>> software performance analysis, I have created a page on the wiki at
>> >>
>> http://www.open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=dev:testing:performance_issueswherewecan identify the pain points that need further evaluation and add
>> >>>> any questions that we hope a performance analysis might be able to
>> >> answer.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I have started the list off with some basic issues/questions that
>> have
>> >>>> come up in our own systems. During the future of the staff client
>> >> meeting,
>> >>>> Dan Scott had mentioned that there might be three points of
>> >> attack:client,
>> >>>> opensrf, database.  I thought dividing the list into those three
>> areas
>> >>>> might be a good way to start.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'm hoping that all the knowledgeable sys admins out there who have a
>> >>>> stronger understanding of the system architecture than I do can build
>> >> this
>> >>>> list into something that might be a good starting point for any
>> >> performance
>> >>>> evaluation, whether it's done by a third party or by somebody in the
>> >>>> Evergreen community. By identifying the questions we hope a
>> performance
>> >>>> evaluation might answer, we are also identifying what our
>> expectations
>> >> are
>> >>>> before we enter the process. I would want to be clear on our
>> >> expectations
>> >>>> before formally talking to any third party so that we can be fully
>> >> informed
>> >>>> about whether an evaluation could meet those expectations.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Kathy
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Kathy Lussier
>> >>>> Project Coordinator
>> >>>> Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative(508)
>> >> 343-0128klussier at masslnc.org
>> >>>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 2/20/2013 2:26 PM, Mike Rylander wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Kathy Lussier <klussier at masslnc.org
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Hi all,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I wasn't sure if I should add this to the QA discussion, but it
>> seemed
>> >>>>> worthy of its own thread.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> During the "future of the staff client" meeting, I advocated for
>> >> bringing
>> >>>>> in a consultant to do a software performance analysis for Evergreen
>> to
>> >> help
>> >>>>> us identify where the critical bottlenecks are in the system in the
>> >> hopes
>> >>>>> that we could then identify the areas that need to be worked on to
>> >> improve
>> >>>>> performance. At the time, I didn't have any concrete suggestions on
>> >> finding
>> >>>>> a consultant who could take on this project, but I have since done
>> some
>> >>>>> more investigation and have a couple of leads, the most promising of
>> >> which
>> >>>>> is an individual local to Massachusetts who previously worked for
>> many
>> >>>>> years at Stratus Technologies where he was involved in all levels of
>> >>>>> performance analysis. He now teaches graduate-level courses on
>> >> performance
>> >>>>> evaluation and also does contract work.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Now that I actually have concrete leads, I would like to get the
>> ball
>> >>>>> rolling, provided there is support from the larger community. I'm
>> not
>> >> quite
>> >>>>> sure how this might fit in with ESI's planned QA efforts or with the
>> >>>>> possibility of bringing in a firm like OmniTI as Dan suggested, but
>> my
>> >>>>> reading into these QA e-mails is that the focus would be on testing
>> new
>> >>>>> commits.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I want to clarify something that Dan seems to have assumed
>> incorrectly:
>> >>>> that anything ESI does is mutually exclusive with bringing in outside
>> >>>> expertise.  Nobody has any grounds to stop such an effort, and it
>> would
>> >>>> be ridiculous to argue otherwise, words put into my mouth
>> >> notwithstanding.
>> >>>> The initial focus of an ESI effort will be what exists today, through
>> >>>> infrastructure, so that what exists tomorrow can then be tested.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> As for how it would fit in, ESI would absorb and internalize any
>> advice
>> >>>> or direction, just like any other community member, and work within
>> the
>> >>>> community to incorporate that.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> So, why have ESI involved at all?  Besides the fact that we create a
>> >>>> significant portion of the code, and that it benefits us as much as
>> >> anyone
>> >>>> to have a more stable Evergreen, there is a need for ongoing, active
>> >>>> leadership in QA.  The fact is that it has not materialized yet, so
>> >> we're
>> >>>> looking for a way to make that a maintainable proposition for the
>> >>>> community's benefit.  That means ongoing, deep integration with both
>> >>>> developer and user communities.  And that is not something that we
>> can
>> >>>> expect from OmniTI or any other organization that is not plugged into
>> >> those
>> >>>> communities.  Could some other organization step into that role, and
>> >>>> provide years of ongoing QA support?  Perhaps so, but ESI exists
>> today
>> >> and
>> >>>> has the Evergreen expertise needed to avoid long (and costly) ramp-up
>> >> time.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The point is this, though, ESI will encourage any effort to improve
>> >>>> Evergreen, and is willing and able to work in the community, as we
>> >> always
>> >>>> do, to further those efforts.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks, Kathy!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Mike Rylander
>> >>>> | Director of Research and Development
>> >>>> | Equinox Software, Inc. / Your Library's Guide to Open Source
>> >>>> | phone:  1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457)
>> >>>> | email:  miker at esilibrary.com
>> >>>> | web:  http://www.esilibrary.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Mike Rylander
>> >>> | Director of Research and Development
>> >>> | Equinox Software, Inc. / Your Library's Guide to Open Source
>> >>> | phone:  1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457)
>> >>> | email:  miker at esilibrary.com
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