[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Motion to deactivate the "evergreen-admin" mailing list

[Lazar, Alexey Vladimirovich]

On 2015-01-14, at 18:10 , Ben Shum <bshum at biblio.org> wrote:

> Since we're bringing up the existing general and dev list
> descriptions, I'd like to raise my question in the past about
> migrating the general and dev list to the new list server instead of
> continuing the present legacy "open-ils-" prefixes on the current
> general and dev (and actually, documentation too) lists.

+1

> 
> Perhaps in the process of moving the "dev" list to the community lists
> server, we might consider renaming it to be a bit broader than just
> "dev" meaning developer.  Using something else like "technical" or
> "tech" bridging the gap between purely "developer"-centric
> discussions, which in and of themselves tend to vary in degree of
> usage of the existing dev list as well, but allow us to encompass a
> broader technical discussion list.

+1.

> 
> Just suggesting that possibility again….eg-oversight-board

Hypothetically, if this approach was applied to the whole Evergreen mailing list “infrastructure", here is an example of what that could look like:

evergreen-gov (combining eg-oversight-board and evergreen-governance-l)
I am not a user of these lists and not sure if this even makes sense. Currently on http://evergreen-ils.org/communicate/mailing-lists/ the link to evergreen-governance-l is broken

evergreen-user (combining evergreen-catalogers and much of the user functionality discussion currently occurring on open-ils-general)

evergreen-teams | evergreen-taskforce | evergreen-workgroup | any other name of similar meaning (combining evergreen-web-team, evergreen-reports, open-ils-documentation and any other work group)
The traffic on the current lists is low and likely groups would not get in the way of each other on a combined list.

evergreen-dev | evergreen-tech | evergreen-devel (combining open-ils-dev, evergreen-admin and any an all types of technical discussion)

evergreen-announce | evergreen-general (used for event announcements, future-oriented discussions, RFP-type postings, job postings and alike)

open-ils-commits, opensrf-commits - not sure if it could make sense to combine them into evergreen-commits

As a result from the current 10 lists there would be 7 or 6 or less, which perhaps is a more proportionate number to the size of the community and mail traffic. Having combined lists, e.g., evergreen-team, would also take care of any needs if in the future there is a special new task force set up for something. Possibly, fewer lists mean fewer “silos”, more cross-exposure.

With such or a similar layout:

A typical user would need to subscribe to 2 lists
A typical technical user or developer would subscribe to 3. 
etc.

A potential time-saving benefit of implementing such a structure or some variant of it (and finishing migrating to the new list server) could be that for the foreseeable future this would remain the last discussion thread on the topic of activating/deactivating mailing lists. ;)

> 
> -- Ben
> 
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 6:55 PM, Rogan Hamby <rogan.hamby at yclibrary.net> wrote:
>> I would support refreshing those descriptions to reflect their use more
>> clearly, as Yamil points out.
>> 
>> 
>> On Wednesday, January 14, 2015, Yamil Suarez <ysuarez at berklee.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am OK with the deletion of the "evergreen-admin". Part of my reason
>>> is that it is not getting as much use as I would have expected. Before
>>> this "evergreen-admin" list existed and while I was a new to the EG
>>> community, I was often not sure if I should post my sysadmin questions
>>> in the general or the developer list, or both. If we do eliminate the
>>> "evergreen-admin," I would love to see a word or two added to the list
>>> descriptions to make it more clear where sysadmin question would be
>>> most welcomed.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Currently the descriptions are....
>>> 
>>> ------------------
>>> General Mailing List
>>> 
>>> Evergreen General Discussion List
>>> 
>>> This is the general-topic, (usually) non-technical list for the
>>> Evergreen community — Evergreen users, librarians, library workers,
>>> library users, developers, fellow travelers, or people just plain
>>> curious about Evergreen. As of October, 2008, this list had over 500
>>> members. Its traffic is moderate.
>>> 
>>> General means general. Posts range from discussions about possible new
>>> features to quick questions about implementation. There is no such
>>> thing as a “dumb” question or comment for the Evergreen general list.
>>> If you’re thinking the question, chances are, you’re in good company.
>>> Ask, and you give other members of the Evergreen community an
>>> opportunity to share their growing knowledge.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ---------------
>>> 
>>> Technical Lists
>>> 
>>> Evergreen Development Discussion List
>>> 
>>> This list is for patches and technical discussions about Evergreen and
>>> OpenSRF development. Messages and responses are often in the shorthand
>>> common to this culture.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Just my two cents,
>>> Yamil
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Michael Peters <mpeters at emeralddata.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Just my 2 cents, but I've always felt IRC was the best place to reach
>>>> other
>>>> sys-admins for advice.  I can't recall ever posting to the mailing list
>>>> about a system administration issue.  I know there are so many active
>>>> sys-admins on the IRC that I think the response is likely to be quicker
>>>> there.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm also more apt to answer a question I see in IRC.  I'm not sure I'm
>>>> even
>>>> subscribed to anything other than Dev and General.
>>>> 
>>>> Michael Peters
>>>> Senior Systems Analyst
>>>> Emerald Data Networks, Inc.
>>>> Phone: 678.302.3000 x1013
>>>> Help Desk: 678.302.3000 x1500
>>>> www.emeralddata.net
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: open-ils-general-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org
>>>> [mailto:open-ils-general-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Galen Charlton
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 12:43 PM
>>>> To: Evergreen Discussion Group
>>>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Motion to deactivate the
>>>> "evergreen-admin"
>>>> mailing list
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Chris Sharp
>>>> <csharp at georgialibraries.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> In my view, the Evergreen-Admin list duplicates the purpose of this,
>>>>> the General list, in that the General list serves as an all-purpose
>>>>> venue for (non-development related) technical help in running
>>>>> Evergreen.  If you agree, please +1, otherwise, please state your case
>>>>> for keeping it. ;-)
>>>> 
>>>> 0.
>>>> 
>>>> A dedicated list for Evergreen sysadmins could work in principle, but of
>>>> course requires that folks actually answer questions posted to it.
>>>> Since the list was created, there's been long periods where it has been
>>>> mostly ignored, either passively or actively, and I think it long ago
>>>> reached the point where reluctance to use it has self-fulfilled a
>>>> prophecy
>>>> that it would not be used.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Galen
>>>> --
>>>> Galen Charlton
>>>> Manager of Implementation
>>>> Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts
>>>> email:  gmc at esilibrary.com
>>>> direct: +1 770-709-5581
>>>> cell:   +1 404-984-4366
>>>> skype:  gmcharlt
>>>> web:    http://www.esilibrary.com/
>>>> Supporting Koha and Evergreen: http://koha-community.org &
>>>> http://evergreen-ils.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Yamil Suarez, MCS
>>> Library System Administrator/Developer
>>> 
>>> Stan Getz Library
>>> Berklee College of Music
>>> 1140 Boylston St
>>> Boston, MA 02215
>>> 
>>> ysuarez at berklee.edu
>>> 617-747-2617
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA
>> Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services,
>> York County Library System
>> 
>> “You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to suit
>> me.”
>> ― C.S. Lewis
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Benjamin Shum
> Evergreen Systems Manager
> Bibliomation, Inc.
> 24 Wooster Ave.
> Waterbury, CT 06708
> 203-577-4070, ext. 113

Aleksey Lazar
IS Developer and Integrator - PALS
http://www.mnpals.org/