[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] In-Process items, centralized cataloging, filling random holds, not in Best Hold Selection order

Fri Nov 6 15:39:21 EST 2015

Josh,

If you are a consortium with  a floating  collection, and no property
designation on the item, does it matter which copy fills which hold as
long as the hold gets filled? 

Elaine

J. Elaine Hardy
PINES & Collaborative Projects Manager
Georgia Public Library Service
1800 Century Place, Ste 150
Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304

404.235.7128
404.235.7201, fax
ehardy at georgialibraries.org
www.georgialibraries.org
www.georgialibraries.org/pines

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Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] In-Process items, centralized cataloging,
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Elaine,

Thanks for all the feedback.  It has helped me work though the options.
We do have a test system that we can try things out on, once I get it
updated with a more recent copy of our production system.   

Here is a summary of what I think our options are.

1.       Manually route in-progress items to the assigned locations.
Poses problems for us because we use floating and don't have a physical
indication on the copy of where it initially needs to go.  If we did have
a custom barcode label that specifies which location it goes to, or
something similar this would work ok. There is a chance that an item would
get to its home location and immediately get sent back to fill a hold at
another location.  Watching for those situations would again take more
manual checking.  We would rather have the system take care of it.

2.       Use top of queue/cut in line to force the new copies to fill the
holds at the locations that we want the initial copies to go to.

a.       Pro: Items get to the initial locations they need to be at.

b.      Pro: Items wouldn't go somewhere just to be checked in and go back
in transit to another location.

c.       Cons: Extra work to change the holds.

d.      Cons: Depending on how long of a time period passes between
setting the Cut-in line for the holds and the copies getting processed 

e.       Cons: Depending on the order that the copies are checked in, the
item owning/circ lib won't match up with which hold they are going to
fill.  This would make the catalog display confusing until all the holds
are filled and items start floating at reshelving time.

I can think of a couple enhancements that would make this process smoother
for us.  If anyone else is interested in something along these lines let
me know so we can coordinate.

New Development/New Features

*       A new checkin modifier that would force the use of the
workstations org unit best hold selection sort order.  This would allow
our cataloging stations to force a home proximity based sort, so the
copies would automatically start filling holds at their assigned home
libraries first.  If there are no holds at the home location then the
oldest hold based on the normal proximity would take effect.  I can see
this feature helping out other organizations.  It seems like a way to
override the best hold selection sort based on physical location could be
useful in other situations.  I don't know how feasible this would be to
create.  Maybe it would be easy to just modify the copy object higher in
the stack to change the owning lib for that copy just for the checkin.

*       A new checkin modifier that would suppress holds but allow
transits, so items would be routed to their home locations to start with
and would start filling holds once they get there.  This would potentially
send copies out to a location that has no local holds, so the item would
immediately go back into transit, wasting time in transit.  So I think
this option is less desirable than the first one.  But since there is
already a suppress holds and transits checkin mod feature, there is more
of a chance that I could figure out how to create this.

Josh Stompro - LARL IT Director

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Hardy, Elaine
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 9:13 AM
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Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] In-Process items, centralized cataloging,
filling random holds, not in Best Hold Selection order

Josh,

A floating collection would certainly change how you would handle items.
No PINES library has a floating collections at this point, so I am not
sure I can answer your questions since we don't have experience with it. I
can tell you that, with PINES holds configuration, there is no guarantee
after the 6 months hold protection is over that a location's item will
fill a location's holds. It isn't unusual for Org Unit A's item to fill
holds at OU B while OU B's item is filling holds at another OU. It is one
of those things that annoys PINES staff but it does prevent an item from
criss-crissing the state and spending too much time in transit as a
result.

One downside to having all copies owned by one OU would be sorting copies
amongst locations if you did ever stop floating your collection. 

Consider, if you have a test server to set up holds testing/tracking and
see what  happens under different scenarios that you know you encounter.
If you don't have a test server,  I suggest you monitor and track how
holds are functioning for a specific period of time. Whichever method you
use, evaluate your workflow and settings based on your findings.  It may
take time and cause for headaches along the  way; but, in the end you will
have a practical understanding of how holds are functioning under your
policies and workflows and will be better able to make any adjustments to
either you need.

Elaine

J. Elaine Hardy
PINES & Collaborative Projects Manager
Georgia Public Library Service
1800 Century Place, Ste 150
Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304

404.235.7128
404.235.7201, fax
ehardy at georgialibraries.org <mailto:ehardy at georgialibraries.org> 
www.georgialibraries.org <http://www.georgialibraries.org> 
www.georgialibraries.org/pines <http://www.georgialibraries.org/pines> 

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Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] In-Process items, centralized cataloging,
filling random holds, not in Best Hold Selection order

Elaine, We just tried to work though how it would work to send items out
without checking them in and I don't think we can make it work.  There is
nothing on the items themselves that say which branch they go to, so we
cannot simple look at the item to know where to send it.  We float
everything so we don't need that info on the item.

So someone would need to look up the info on each item and manually
add/create a routing slip at that point, which is quite a bit more work
than just checking stuff in and printing a slip.

What I think might work for us is that when our Collections Dev librarian
decides where the copies are initially allocated based on the holds, she
can select the first X number of holds (where X = number of copies) for
the locations where the items are going to be assigned, and use top of
queue/cut in line to set those holds to be filled first.  Then when the
items are checked in , they will fill those holds first and go to the
correct locations.  It might make the catalog look a little strange, since
there is no guarantee that location A's item will be filling location A's
holds, unless we are really good about checking in the items in the right
order.

Now I'm wondering if we can use floating to skip the volume creation step
for each owning location?  Is there a downside to having all the items at
one owning location with all the copies having different circulation
library locations?

Josh Stompro - LARL IT Director

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Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] In-Process items, centralized cataloging,
filling random holds, not in Best Hold Selection order

Thanks Elaine,   I found out that the issue I was having with the specific
title that seemed to fill the wrong hold was because our migrated holds
all had a selection_depth of 1, and holds placed post migration have a
selection depth of 0.  We had the selection depth included in our Best
Hold Selection Sort order, which was sorting the holds based on that,
which was prioritizing the holds with a depth of 0.  So the system was
working exactly like it should, it just took me a while to figure it why.

I think the problem with checking in as a workstation for each location is
that then the items would immediately fill holds and go onto the
holdshelf.  Notifying the patron that the item is ready, when it is really
in transit.  Maybe the capture local holds as transits checking mod would
help with that.

I wish there was a checkin mod like the Suppress Holds and Transit that
was just suppresses holds, which would just place the items in transit
back to their circ lib.

We will try just sending the items without a transit, and see how that
works out.  Thanks for the info.

Josh Stompro - LARL IT Director

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Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] In-Process items, centralized cataloging,
filling random holds, not in Best Hold Selection order

Josh,

While we don't do centralized cataloging for the entire consortium,
individual systems catalog at their headquarters and then send the items
to owning branches. The items are in process until they are received by
circulation at each branch. That is how in process was designed to
function originally. Some libraries run reports for items in process
longer than the expected transit time to see if material has gone astray .
Some libraries include an "invoice", based on a report,of the items
included in a delivery for branches to acknowledge receipt. So you can
send items still in process to locations and keep track of them; but you
would need to use reports to assist.

PINES libraries find that items rarely go astray - occasionally they might
not make it into the delivery or are sent to the wrong branch. The most
common problem is that they make it to the shelf at the correct location
without being checked in. Running reports and shelf checking for items
still in process should find most of the strayed items.

If you do want to continue checking the items in at central cataloging, it
may be best to set up workstations for the separate locations and check
each location in using that workstation login. 

Elaine

J. Elaine Hardy
PINES & Collaborative Projects Manager
Georgia Public Library Service
1800 Century Place, Ste 150
Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304

404.235.7128
404.235.7201, fax
ehardy at georgialibraries.org <mailto:ehardy at georgialibraries.org> 
www.georgialibraries.org <http://www.georgialibraries.org> 
www.georgialibraries.org/pines <http://www.georgialibraries.org/pines> 

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Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] In-Process items, centralized cataloging,
filling random holds, not in Best Hold Selection order

Hello, I know I've heard mention of this issue, but I'm now trying to
figure out how to deal with it and I cannot find a good explanation.

We are a consolidated system and do centralized cataloging, and assign
initial owning and circ locations when the items are received based on
number of holds for each pickup location.

So our normal process is to assign those locations for the items and then
check in the items (at our Cataloging OU/workstation) so they will grab
the holds and fill them.  So the items are in "in processing" status and
then get checked in.

But the holds that are being grabbed seem to be somewhat random.  In the
latest test case, it is the hold with the largest hold ID number that is
getting assigned to a copy, which is the last hold that was placed.  So
our Best Hold Selection sort order for opportunistic holds is being
ignored, in many different ways.  It should be filling the oldest hold
first when all the proximities are the same, but it isn't.

I've tried the retarget local holds, but the holds are not local, so that
doesn't seem to do anything for us.  I've tried setting a new Best Hold
Selection sort order based on hprox (Home proximity) on the cataloging OU
so that the holds would be evaluated based on owning location -> pickup
location proximity, but that doesn't change the behavior at all.  The
first hold that gets selected is based on it having the highest hold ID.

It seems like it would work to just send the items to the correct owning
location, without checking them in, but that seems wrong, there would be
no record of the transit which would make it harder to find items that get
lost on the way.

Can someone point me to the correct way to deal with this, or where the
issue is discussed? 

Thanks

Lake Agassiz Regional Library - Moorhead MN larl.org

Josh Stompro     | Office 218.233.3757 EXT-139

LARL IT Director | Cell 218.790.2110  

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