[Evergreen-catalogers] RDA search formats

Thu Nov 16 11:21:33 EST 2017

I just sent an email to AUTOCAT to double-check that nobody is working
on developing such a controlled vocabulary.  So, we'll see if they
have anything helpful to say. :-)

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 7:03 AM, Mary Llewellyn <mllewell at biblio.org> wrote:
> I didn't find a list of controlled vocabulary for the 347, either, but I
> used terms found in examples in OCLC documentation. I figured that will do
> until something more official comes along.
>
> Thanks for the link, Elaine.
>
> Mary
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 9:44 AM, Elaine Hardy <ehardy at georgialibraries.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> I'm not finding a controlled vocabulary for the 347|b terms. However,
>> there is no reason why we Evergreen catalogers couldn't come up with a list
>> for Evergreen if there isn't one (or until there is one). The Music Library
>> Association has guidelines for the 33x and 34x fields
>> (http://c.ymcdn.com/sites/www.musiclibraryassoc.org/resource/resmgr/BCC_RDA/Supp_RDA_Best_Practices.pdf)
>> that might assist us in coming up with our own list.
>>
>> Elaine
>>
>>
>>
>> J. Elaine Hardy
>> PINES & Collaborative Projects Manager
>> Georgia Public Library Service/PINES
>> 1800 Century Place, Ste. 150
>> Atlanta, GA 30045
>>
>> 404.235.7128 Office
>> 404.548.4241 Cell
>> 404.235.7201 FAX
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Mike Rylander <mrylander at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> This is a great discussion!
>>>
>>> I just wanted to note that, since the values that can be used in the
>>> 347$b are not (yet -- is there an authoritative list?) included in the
>>> Coded Value Map table, they can't yet be used in combination with the
>>> 33x RDA values or fixed fields.  However, all that is required is
>>> configuration (adding a Digital File Characteristics coded value map,
>>> and the record attribute definition to extract the values from
>>> records) to make that work.  With that, an MP3 CD search and icon
>>> entry for records encoded as described upthread could work the same
>>> way as any other composite attribute.
>>>
>>> This sounds like a wishlist bug to seed and maintain the required
>>> coded value map entries, at least, I think.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mike Rylander
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>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 11:47 AM, Kathy Lussier <klussier at masslnc.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > You can add a new icon by doing the following:
>>> >
>>> > - If you haven't done so already, configure the attributes for this
>>> > icon in
>>> > the Coded Value Maps interface. You will want to add this definition
>>> > with
>>> > the OPAC Format Icons record attribute type. Documentation for creating
>>> > these can be found at
>>> > http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/2.6/_marc_record_attributes.html.
>>> >
>>> > - Give the image the same name as is used for the code field when you
>>> > configured the format in the Coded Value Maps interface. As an example,
>>> > the
>>> > image for the cassette audiobook icon in stock evergreen is named
>>> > casaudiobook.png because the code for this definition is
>>> > 'casaudiobook.'
>>> >
>>> > - Put the image on the server in the
>>> > /openils/var/web/images/format_icons/icon_format/
>>> >
>>> > Kathy
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 11/14/2017 11:01 AM, Mary Llewellyn wrote:
>>> >
>>> > We've done likewise for the coding, but didn't manage a new icon. I'd
>>> > love
>>> > to know how to get new icons and put them into place.
>>> >
>>> > We've also made sure that all our downloadable ebooks/audiobooks/etc.
>>> > get
>>> > coded as "o". So many of the vendor files use "s" so we change them
>>> > before
>>> > loading, so our indexes for those format searches are not muddied with
>>> > whatever "s" should be assigned to.
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 9:06 AM, Elaine Hardy
>>> > <ehardy at georgialibraries.org>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> We created an icon to use for playaways -- see
>>> >>
>>> >> https://gapines.org/eg/opac/record/5000978?query=playaways;qtype=keyword;locg=1;detail_record_view=0
>>> >>
>>> >> First we made sure that all playaways had the current Form (008/23) q
>>> >> (Direct electronic. Storage on a directly accessible tangible
>>> >> recording
>>> >> medium, e.g. disc, tape, Playaway device, flashdrive, portable hard
>>> >> drive,
>>> >> etc.) along with the appropriate Type (Leader/06). You will most
>>> >> likely find
>>> >> some with old or incorrect codes for Form -- blank, o, or s.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> J. Elaine Hardy
>>> >> PINES & Collaborative Projects Manager
>>> >> Georgia Public Library Service/PINES
>>> >> 1800 Century Place, Ste. 150
>>> >> Atlanta, GA 30045
>>> >>
>>> >> 404.235.7128 Office
>>> >> 404.548.4241 Cell
>>> >> 404.235.7201 FAX
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 8:00 AM, Jonathan Furr <furrjt at forsyth.cc>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> +1 - on the need for conjunction between fixed fields and 33x tags
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I also like Sarah's idea about using the 347$b for the MP3 vs.
>>> >>> Playaway
>>> >>> distinction issue.  That might work.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Best,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Jonathan Furr
>>> >>> Technical Services
>>> >>> Forsyth County Public Library
>>> >>> 336.703.3045
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Jennifer Weston
>>> >>> <Jennifer.Weston at davidsoncountync.gov> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> +1 – I agree that the RDA fields can currently only be used in
>>> >>>> conjunction with codes in 008 and 007/006.  I do think it is great
>>> >>>> that we
>>> >>>> are having this conversation.  The RDA fields are powerful but they
>>> >>>> can’t
>>> >>>> stand on their own (yet) because we do find ourselves describing
>>> >>>> multiple
>>> >>>> content/media/carrier types on the same record sometimes.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Janet asks a question that draws attention to what makes this
>>> >>>> “hybrid”
>>> >>>> cataloging world so interesting.  I am not aware of a code that
>>> >>>> identifies a
>>> >>>> MP3 but I do include a digital file characteristic on the 347‡b to
>>> >>>> add MP3
>>> >>>> as the audio encoding format.  At least, this is an authorized term
>>> >>>> from RDA
>>> >>>> 3.19.3.3.  Trying to use a subfield may not be effective or
>>> >>>> efficient (or
>>> >>>> possible) for filtering but it is there.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Best,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Jennifer
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Jennifer Weston
>>> >>>> Davidson County Public Library
>>> >>>> Technical Services Manager
>>> >>>> jennifer.weston at davidsoncountync.gov
>>> >>>> (336) 242-2941
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> From: Evergreen-catalogers
>>> >>>> [mailto:evergreen-catalogers-bounces at list.evergreen-ils.org] On
>>> >>>> Behalf Of
>>> >>>> Janet Schrader
>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 3:50 PM
>>> >>>> To: Evergreen Community Catalogers
>>> >>>> <evergreen-catalogers at list.evergreen-ils.org>
>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Evergreen-catalogers] RDA search formats
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> +1.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> These fields can only be used in conjunction with codes in the 008
>>> >>>> and
>>> >>>> 007/006 fields.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> While on this topic, I'd like to know if anyone has created a format
>>> >>>> filter for MP3 CD audiobooks. The 007 field code for SMD is the same
>>> >>>> as
>>> >>>> regular CDs. Is there some other code(s) I could use?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Thanks,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Janet
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 1:30 PM, Elaine Hardy
>>> >>>> <ehardy at georgialibraries.org> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> +1
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> J. Elaine Hardy
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> PINES & Collaborative Projects Manager
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Georgia Public Library Service/PINES
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> 1800 Century Place, Ste. 150
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Atlanta, GA 30045
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> 404.235.7128 Office
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> 404.548.4241 Cell
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> 404.235.7201 FAX
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Jane Sandberg
>>> >>>> <sandbej at linnbenton.edu>
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I'd actually hesitate at this proposal, since the 33x terms don't
>>> >>>> really make a lot of distinctions that patrons would find helpful,
>>> >>>> for
>>> >>>> example:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> * Large type vs. standard type have the same 33x
>>> >>>> * DVD vs. Blu-ray have the same 33x
>>> >>>> * These fields are all repeatable.  Sometimes those combinations can
>>> >>>> mean that there are multiple parts, sometimes it means that several
>>> >>>> formats are incorporated into a single object.  For example,
>>> >>>> 336$atext
>>> >>>> and 336$images could mean a picture book, a graphic novel, a book of
>>> >>>> photographs with captions, an archival collection that includes both
>>> >>>> pamphlets and paintings, etc.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I think that having 33x terms in the mix of
>>> >>>> what-fields-cause-which-icons is great.  I don't think that they
>>> >>>> should ever be used without other MARC fields to determine what
>>> >>>> icons
>>> >>>> display.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Elaine Hardy
>>> >>>> <ehardy at georgialibraries.org> wrote:
>>> >>>> > LC has handy tables that link the RDA terms in the MARC 33x fields
>>> >>>> > to
>>> >>>> > the
>>> >>>> > 007 field codes : 007/01 (for 338), Leader/06 codes (for 336) and
>>> >>>> > 007/00
>>> >>>> > (for 337). See http://www.loc.gov/standards/valuelist/index.html.
>>> >>>> > So,
>>> >>>> > for
>>> >>>> > those search filters (and icons) that utilize those 007 codes, if
>>> >>>> > a
>>> >>>> > bib
>>> >>>> > record has the 33x fields, those terms and codes could be used
>>> >>>> > instead.
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > To further specify icons, the 007 field will still need to be used
>>> >>>> > to
>>> >>>> > distinguish formats for videorecordings (007/04)
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > J. Elaine Hardy
>>> >>>> > PINES & Collaborative Projects Manager
>>> >>>> > Georgia Public Library Service/PINES
>>> >>>> > 1800 Century Place, Ste. 150
>>> >>>> > Atlanta, GA 30045
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > 404.235.7128 Office
>>> >>>> > 404.548.4241 Cell
>>> >>>> > 404.235.7201 FAX
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 9:17 AM, Rogan Hamby
>>> >>>> > <rhamby at equinoxinitiative.org>
>>> >>>> > wrote:
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> Good morning.
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> I've started looking at how we can resolve RDA 336/337/338 tags
>>> >>>> >> for
>>> >>>> >> search
>>> >>>> >> formats.  There has already been community discussion here:
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1125621
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> The good news is that we (the Evergreen 'we') already have that
>>> >>>> >> data
>>> >>>> >> pulled into the database so the next step is to use it.
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> Before the code is written though I think there are some points
>>> >>>> >> for
>>> >>>> >> the
>>> >>>> >> larger community.  The big picture questions are - What
>>> >>>> >> combinations
>>> >>>> >> should
>>> >>>> >> map to existing search formats and which might need new ones?
>>> >>>> >> Also,
>>> >>>> >> a
>>> >>>> >> logistic question - When new ones are needed where will the icons
>>> >>>> >> come from?
>>> >>>> >> (I can probably make them if need be.)
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> Additionally, a working practice question.  My instinct (and I
>>> >>>> >> think
>>> >>>> >> that
>>> >>>> >> of many) is to say the code should basically check to see if
>>> >>>> >> there
>>> >>>> >> are RDA
>>> >>>> >> values and if so use those and fall back to AACR2.  Are there
>>> >>>> >> scenarios in
>>> >>>> >> practice when both should be used?  Following that up, if they do
>>> >>>> >> exist are
>>> >>>> >> these common enough / follow standards to any degree that we
>>> >>>> >> should
>>> >>>> >> worry
>>> >>>> >> about them or are they edge cases?
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> Rogan Hamby
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> Data and Project Analyst
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> Equinox Open Library Initiative
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> phone:  1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457)
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> email:  rogan at EquinoxInitiative.org
>>> >>>> >>
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