[Evergreen-catalogers] RDA search formats

Thu Nov 16 10:03:17 EST 2017

I didn't find a list of controlled vocabulary for the 347, either, but I
used terms found in examples in OCLC documentation. I figured that will do
until something more official comes along.

Thanks for the link, Elaine.

Mary

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 9:44 AM, Elaine Hardy <ehardy at georgialibraries.org>
wrote:

> I'm not finding a controlled vocabulary for the 347|b terms. However,
> there is no reason why we Evergreen catalogers couldn't come up with a list
> for Evergreen if there isn't one (or until there is one). The Music Library
> Association has guidelines for the 33x and 34x fields (
> http://c.ymcdn.com/sites/www.musiclibraryassoc.org/
> resource/resmgr/BCC_RDA/Supp_RDA_Best_Practices.pdf) that might assist us
> in coming up with our own list.
>
> Elaine
>
>
>
> J. Elaine Hardy
> PINES & Collaborative Projects Manager
> Georgia Public Library Service/PINES
> 1800 Century Place, Ste. 150
> Atlanta, GA 30045
>
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> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Mike Rylander <mrylander at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> This is a great discussion!
>>
>> I just wanted to note that, since the values that can be used in the
>> 347$b are not (yet -- is there an authoritative list?) included in the
>> Coded Value Map table, they can't yet be used in combination with the
>> 33x RDA values or fixed fields.  However, all that is required is
>> configuration (adding a Digital File Characteristics coded value map,
>> and the record attribute definition to extract the values from
>> records) to make that work.  With that, an MP3 CD search and icon
>> entry for records encoded as described upthread could work the same
>> way as any other composite attribute.
>>
>> This sounds like a wishlist bug to seed and maintain the required
>> coded value map entries, at least, I think.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> --
>> Mike Rylander
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>>
>> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 11:47 AM, Kathy Lussier <klussier at masslnc.org>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > You can add a new icon by doing the following:
>> >
>> > - If you haven't done so already, configure the attributes for this
>> icon in
>> > the Coded Value Maps interface. You will want to add this definition
>> with
>> > the OPAC Format Icons record attribute type. Documentation for creating
>> > these can be found at
>> > http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/2.6/_marc_record_attributes.html.
>> >
>> > - Give the image the same name as is used for the code field when you
>> > configured the format in the Coded Value Maps interface. As an example,
>> the
>> > image for the cassette audiobook icon in stock evergreen is named
>> > casaudiobook.png because the code for this definition is 'casaudiobook.'
>> >
>> > - Put the image on the server in the
>> > /openils/var/web/images/format_icons/icon_format/
>> >
>> > Kathy
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 11/14/2017 11:01 AM, Mary Llewellyn wrote:
>> >
>> > We've done likewise for the coding, but didn't manage a new icon. I'd
>> love
>> > to know how to get new icons and put them into place.
>> >
>> > We've also made sure that all our downloadable ebooks/audiobooks/etc.
>> get
>> > coded as "o". So many of the vendor files use "s" so we change them
>> before
>> > loading, so our indexes for those format searches are not muddied with
>> > whatever "s" should be assigned to.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 9:06 AM, Elaine Hardy <
>> ehardy at georgialibraries.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> We created an icon to use for playaways -- see
>> >> https://gapines.org/eg/opac/record/5000978?query=playaways;
>> qtype=keyword;locg=1;detail_record_view=0
>> >>
>> >> First we made sure that all playaways had the current Form (008/23) q
>> >> (Direct electronic. Storage on a directly accessible tangible recording
>> >> medium, e.g. disc, tape, Playaway device, flashdrive, portable hard
>> drive,
>> >> etc.) along with the appropriate Type (Leader/06). You will most
>> likely find
>> >> some with old or incorrect codes for Form -- blank, o, or s.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> J. Elaine Hardy
>> >> PINES & Collaborative Projects Manager
>> >> Georgia Public Library Service/PINES
>> >> 1800 Century Place, Ste. 150
>> >> Atlanta, GA 30045
>> >>
>> >> 404.235.7128 Office
>> >> 404.548.4241 Cell
>> >> 404.235.7201 FAX
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 8:00 AM, Jonathan Furr <furrjt at forsyth.cc>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> +1 - on the need for conjunction between fixed fields and 33x tags
>> >>>
>> >>> I also like Sarah's idea about using the 347$b for the MP3 vs.
>> Playaway
>> >>> distinction issue.  That might work.
>> >>>
>> >>> Best,
>> >>>
>> >>> Jonathan Furr
>> >>> Technical Services
>> >>> Forsyth County Public Library
>> >>> 336.703.3045
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Jennifer Weston
>> >>> <Jennifer.Weston at davidsoncountync.gov> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> +1 – I agree that the RDA fields can currently only be used in
>> >>>> conjunction with codes in 008 and 007/006.  I do think it is great
>> that we
>> >>>> are having this conversation.  The RDA fields are powerful but they
>> can’t
>> >>>> stand on their own (yet) because we do find ourselves describing
>> multiple
>> >>>> content/media/carrier types on the same record sometimes.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Janet asks a question that draws attention to what makes this
>> “hybrid”
>> >>>> cataloging world so interesting.  I am not aware of a code that
>> identifies a
>> >>>> MP3 but I do include a digital file characteristic on the 347‡b to
>> add MP3
>> >>>> as the audio encoding format.  At least, this is an authorized term
>> from RDA
>> >>>> 3.19.3.3.  Trying to use a subfield may not be effective or
>> efficient (or
>> >>>> possible) for filtering but it is there.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Best,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Jennifer
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Jennifer Weston
>> >>>> Davidson County Public Library
>> >>>> Technical Services Manager
>> >>>> jennifer.weston at davidsoncountync.gov
>> >>>> (336) 242-2941
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> From: Evergreen-catalogers
>> >>>> [mailto:evergreen-catalogers-bounces at list.evergreen-ils.org] On
>> Behalf Of
>> >>>> Janet Schrader
>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 3:50 PM
>> >>>> To: Evergreen Community Catalogers
>> >>>> <evergreen-catalogers at list.evergreen-ils.org>
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Evergreen-catalogers] RDA search formats
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> +1.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> These fields can only be used in conjunction with codes in the 008
>> and
>> >>>> 007/006 fields.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> While on this topic, I'd like to know if anyone has created a format
>> >>>> filter for MP3 CD audiobooks. The 007 field code for SMD is the same
>> as
>> >>>> regular CDs. Is there some other code(s) I could use?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Janet
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 1:30 PM, Elaine Hardy
>> >>>> <ehardy at georgialibraries.org> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> +1
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> J. Elaine Hardy
>> >>>>
>> >>>> PINES & Collaborative Projects Manager
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Georgia Public Library Service/PINES
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 1800 Century Place, Ste. 150
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Atlanta, GA 30045
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 404.235.7128 Office
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 404.548.4241 Cell
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 404.235.7201 FAX
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Jane Sandberg <
>> sandbej at linnbenton.edu>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'd actually hesitate at this proposal, since the 33x terms don't
>> >>>> really make a lot of distinctions that patrons would find helpful,
>> for
>> >>>> example:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> * Large type vs. standard type have the same 33x
>> >>>> * DVD vs. Blu-ray have the same 33x
>> >>>> * These fields are all repeatable.  Sometimes those combinations can
>> >>>> mean that there are multiple parts, sometimes it means that several
>> >>>> formats are incorporated into a single object.  For example,
>> 336$atext
>> >>>> and 336$images could mean a picture book, a graphic novel, a book of
>> >>>> photographs with captions, an archival collection that includes both
>> >>>> pamphlets and paintings, etc.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I think that having 33x terms in the mix of
>> >>>> what-fields-cause-which-icons is great.  I don't think that they
>> >>>> should ever be used without other MARC fields to determine what icons
>> >>>> display.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Elaine Hardy
>> >>>> <ehardy at georgialibraries.org> wrote:
>> >>>> > LC has handy tables that link the RDA terms in the MARC 33x fields
>> to
>> >>>> > the
>> >>>> > 007 field codes : 007/01 (for 338), Leader/06 codes (for 336) and
>> >>>> > 007/00
>> >>>> > (for 337). See http://www.loc.gov/standards/valuelist/index.html.
>> So,
>> >>>> > for
>> >>>> > those search filters (and icons) that utilize those 007 codes, if a
>> >>>> > bib
>> >>>> > record has the 33x fields, those terms and codes could be used
>> >>>> > instead.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > To further specify icons, the 007 field will still need to be used
>> to
>> >>>> > distinguish formats for videorecordings (007/04)
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > J. Elaine Hardy
>> >>>> > PINES & Collaborative Projects Manager
>> >>>> > Georgia Public Library Service/PINES
>> >>>> > 1800 Century Place, Ste. 150
>> >>>> > Atlanta, GA 30045
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > 404.235.7128 <(404)%20235-7128> Office
>> >>>> > 404.548.4241 <(404)%20548-4241> Cell
>> >>>> > 404.235.7201 <(404)%20235-7201> FAX
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 9:17 AM, Rogan Hamby
>> >>>> > <rhamby at equinoxinitiative.org>
>> >>>> > wrote:
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Good morning.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> I've started looking at how we can resolve RDA 336/337/338 tags
>> for
>> >>>> >> search
>> >>>> >> formats.  There has already been community discussion here:
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1125621
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> The good news is that we (the Evergreen 'we') already have that
>> data
>> >>>> >> pulled into the database so the next step is to use it.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Before the code is written though I think there are some points
>> for
>> >>>> >> the
>> >>>> >> larger community.  The big picture questions are - What
>> combinations
>> >>>> >> should
>> >>>> >> map to existing search formats and which might need new ones?
>> Also,
>> >>>> >> a
>> >>>> >> logistic question - When new ones are needed where will the icons
>> >>>> >> come from?
>> >>>> >> (I can probably make them if need be.)
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Additionally, a working practice question.  My instinct (and I
>> think
>> >>>> >> that
>> >>>> >> of many) is to say the code should basically check to see if there
>> >>>> >> are RDA
>> >>>> >> values and if so use those and fall back to AACR2.  Are there
>> >>>> >> scenarios in
>> >>>> >> practice when both should be used?  Following that up, if they do
>> >>>> >> exist are
>> >>>> >> these common enough / follow standards to any degree that we
>> should
>> >>>> >> worry
>> >>>> >> about them or are they edge cases?
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Rogan Hamby
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Data and Project Analyst
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Equinox Open Library Initiative
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> phone:  1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457)
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> email:  rogan at EquinoxInitiative.org
>> >>>> >>
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