[Evergreen-catalogers] should we spend money on authority control?

Wed Oct 27 11:03:32 EDT 2021

Perhaps a little off topic, but the link I have been using to find/check my
subject headings/genre terms is
https://id.loc.gov/authorities/subjects.html. Is this an ok link to use for
that?

On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 10:40 AM Elaine Hardy via Evergreen-catalogers <
evergreen-catalogers at list.evergreen-ils.org> wrote:

> PINES does have a vendor that does authority work. However, I believe it
> is suspended because of issues with Evergreen authority control. I am not
> the lead on this so I am not certain of all the issues. I do know that
> headings don't update properly and that duplicates are created.
>
> I would also like to see cross referencing in all searches and not just
> browse.
>
> I think there is value in updating headings regularly, particular since LC
> is beginning to make changes to update outdated, offensive, and inaccurate
> headings. While glacially slow, they are making some changes (Two
> examples: Evacuation and relocation, 1942-1945 changed to Forced removal
> and internment, 1942-1945  for Japanese -- Canada, Japanese American,
> etc.  And Tulsa Race Riot to Tulsa Race Massacre)
>
> While we have not done a complete formal document, the cataloging interest
> group and catalogers in general have communicated to developers what we
> need in an authority file. We did have a running list some years ago on our
> wiki and have commented extensively in conference sessions about authority
> control in Evergreen. There are also a number of bug reports. All of which
> is not a substitute for development specifications but we haven't been
> silent about the issues we see and what we need.
>
> I think the lack of effective and robust authority control prevents many
> libraries from choosing Evergreen as their ILS, particularly large
> academics and research institutions.
>
>
> J. Elaine Hardy, PINES and Collaborative Projects Manager
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> On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 8:42 AM Kate Coleman via Evergreen-catalogers <
> evergreen-catalogers at list.evergreen-ils.org> wrote:
>
>> That's a great suggestion, Rogan. I'll bring it up to the Cataloging
>> group and see if we can get the ball rolling.
>>
>> Non-thread topic, I love Sanderson and this series has been on my TBR
>> list for ages. I'm an audiobook reader, though, and I don't like the
>> narrator of this series, so I'm finally making a point to reading actual
>> words. LOL Love me some epic fantasy!
>>
>>
>> Kate Coleman, MLIS
>> Technical Services Manager, Jefferson County Library
>> Missouri Evergreen Consortium
>> 5678 State Rd. PP
>> High Ridge, MO 63049
>> 636-677-8689
>> Fax: 636--677-1769
>> kcoleman at jeffcolib.org
>>
>> Currently Reading
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>> [image: Book Cover]
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>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 7:31 AM Rogan Hamby <rogan.hamby at equinoxoli.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is an area we could definitely use squeaky wheels in, including
>>> documenting in launchpad desired behaviors.  Maybe this is something the
>>> cataloging working group would want to take up?  If the desired end results
>>> were well documented that would provide a foundation for an institution
>>> that wanted to push for it.
>>>
>>> Also, on a non-thread related topic I noticed in your signature that
>>> you're reading Way of Kings.  I hope you enjoy it, I have really enjoyed
>>> the whole series to date.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 8:18 AM Kate Coleman via Evergreen-catalogers <
>>> evergreen-catalogers at list.evergreen-ils.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree with Mary. While our consortium does use an authority
>>>> management company, I wish Evergreen authority capabilities were better.
>>>> Validation works weirdly, cross referencing doesn't actually cross, and I'm
>>>> just disappointed tbh. However, I am thankful we do have the service and
>>>> remain hopeful for improvements with EG authorities. When those
>>>> improvements DO come, our catalog will be ready for it because of our
>>>> authority company. I'll be the first to admit that while I'm unhappy, I
>>>> haven't spent a lot of time researching how to make it better, making
>>>> launchpad bugs, or being a squeaky wheel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kate Coleman, MLIS
>>>> Technical Services Manager, Jefferson County Library
>>>> Missouri Evergreen Consortium
>>>> 5678 State Rd. PP
>>>> High Ridge, MO 63049
>>>> 636-677-8689
>>>> Fax: 636--677-1769
>>>> kcoleman at jeffcolib.org
>>>>
>>>> Currently Reading
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>>>> [image: Book Cover]
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 6:52 PM Mary Llewellyn via Evergreen-catalogers
>>>> <evergreen-catalogers at list.evergreen-ils.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We haven’t had authority control done since our last ILS. We’re not
>>>>> sure the public usage would justify the expense since they mostly use the
>>>>> keyword search and you need to browse to see cross references. I would like
>>>>> to see developments that all KW searches to touch the authorities.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 4:43 PM Carolyn Phillips via
>>>>> Evergreen-catalogers <evergreen-catalogers at list.evergreen-ils.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been working here since December 2009 and we have not had
>>>>>> authority control work done on our catalog by an outside company since I've
>>>>>> been here.  Our IS department has done at least one thing to update
>>>>>> authorities, which was changing "cookery" to "cooking."  (We are upgrading
>>>>>> to 3.7 November 7.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Carolyn Phillips*
>>>>>> she/her/hers <https://www.mypronouns.org/>
>>>>>> *Cataloger*
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> On 10/26/2021 4:22 PM, Sharon Douglas via Evergreen-catalogers wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's been over 10 years since we last had authority control work done
>>>>>> on our database.
>>>>>> I'm not sure it's worth spending money on doing it again.
>>>>>> Wondering how many public libraries out there have this done once in a
>>>>>> while, and/or keep up with it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are on version 3.3.4, will probably move to 3.7 early next year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can't decide what value we would get out of spending $13,000 when it
>>>>>> appears only the browsing function utilizes authority files.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seriously interested in others opinions!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sharon Douglas
>>>>>> Automation Coordinatordouglass at gsuite.larl.org
>>>>>> 218-233-3757 ext. 138
>>>>>>
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