[Evergreen-catalogers] should we spend money on authority control?

[Kate Coleman]

Johnathon, we have some catalogers that prefer the site you posted and some
that prefer the LC Authorities site <https://authorities.loc.gov/webvoy.htm>.
Either is good!


Kate Coleman, MLIS
Technical Services Manager, Jefferson County Library
Missouri Evergreen Consortium
5678 State Rd. PP
High Ridge, MO 63049
636-677-8689
Fax: 636--677-1769
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On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 10:03 AM Johnathon Redmon via Evergreen-catalogers <
evergreen-catalogers at list.evergreen-ils.org> wrote:

> Perhaps a little off topic, but the link I have been using to find/check
> my subject headings/genre terms is
> https://id.loc.gov/authorities/subjects.html. Is this an ok link to use
> for that?
>
> On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 10:40 AM Elaine Hardy via Evergreen-catalogers <
> evergreen-catalogers at list.evergreen-ils.org> wrote:
>
>> PINES does have a vendor that does authority work. However, I believe it
>> is suspended because of issues with Evergreen authority control. I am not
>> the lead on this so I am not certain of all the issues. I do know that
>> headings don't update properly and that duplicates are created.
>>
>> I would also like to see cross referencing in all searches and not just
>> browse.
>>
>> I think there is value in updating headings regularly, particular since
>> LC is beginning to make changes to update outdated, offensive, and
>> inaccurate headings. While glacially slow, they are making some changes (Two
>> examples: Evacuation and relocation, 1942-1945 changed to Forced removal
>> and internment, 1942-1945  for Japanese -- Canada, Japanese American,
>> etc.  And Tulsa Race Riot to Tulsa Race Massacre)
>>
>> While we have not done a complete formal document, the cataloging
>> interest group and catalogers in general have communicated to developers
>> what we need in an authority file. We did have a running list some years
>> ago on our wiki and have commented extensively in conference sessions about
>> authority control in Evergreen. There are also a number of bug reports. All
>> of which is not a substitute for development specifications but we haven't
>> been silent about the issues we see and what we need.
>>
>> I think the lack of effective and robust authority control prevents many
>> libraries from choosing Evergreen as their ILS, particularly large
>> academics and research institutions.
>>
>>
>> J. Elaine Hardy, PINES and Collaborative Projects Manager
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>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 8:42 AM Kate Coleman via Evergreen-catalogers <
>> evergreen-catalogers at list.evergreen-ils.org> wrote:
>>
>>> That's a great suggestion, Rogan. I'll bring it up to the Cataloging
>>> group and see if we can get the ball rolling.
>>>
>>> Non-thread topic, I love Sanderson and this series has been on my TBR
>>> list for ages. I'm an audiobook reader, though, and I don't like the
>>> narrator of this series, so I'm finally making a point to reading actual
>>> words. LOL Love me some epic fantasy!
>>>
>>>
>>> Kate Coleman, MLIS
>>> Technical Services Manager, Jefferson County Library
>>> Missouri Evergreen Consortium
>>> 5678 State Rd. PP
>>> High Ridge, MO 63049
>>> 636-677-8689
>>> Fax: 636--677-1769
>>> kcoleman at jeffcolib.org
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>>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 7:31 AM Rogan Hamby <rogan.hamby at equinoxoli.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is an area we could definitely use squeaky wheels in, including
>>>> documenting in launchpad desired behaviors.  Maybe this is something the
>>>> cataloging working group would want to take up?  If the desired end results
>>>> were well documented that would provide a foundation for an institution
>>>> that wanted to push for it.
>>>>
>>>> Also, on a non-thread related topic I noticed in your signature that
>>>> you're reading Way of Kings.  I hope you enjoy it, I have really enjoyed
>>>> the whole series to date.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 8:18 AM Kate Coleman via Evergreen-catalogers <
>>>> evergreen-catalogers at list.evergreen-ils.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I agree with Mary. While our consortium does use an authority
>>>>> management company, I wish Evergreen authority capabilities were better.
>>>>> Validation works weirdly, cross referencing doesn't actually cross, and I'm
>>>>> just disappointed tbh. However, I am thankful we do have the service and
>>>>> remain hopeful for improvements with EG authorities. When those
>>>>> improvements DO come, our catalog will be ready for it because of our
>>>>> authority company. I'll be the first to admit that while I'm unhappy, I
>>>>> haven't spent a lot of time researching how to make it better, making
>>>>> launchpad bugs, or being a squeaky wheel.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kate Coleman, MLIS
>>>>> Technical Services Manager, Jefferson County Library
>>>>> Missouri Evergreen Consortium
>>>>> 5678 State Rd. PP
>>>>> High Ridge, MO 63049
>>>>> 636-677-8689
>>>>> Fax: 636--677-1769
>>>>> kcoleman at jeffcolib.org
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>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 6:52 PM Mary Llewellyn via
>>>>> Evergreen-catalogers <evergreen-catalogers at list.evergreen-ils.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We haven’t had authority control done since our last ILS. We’re not
>>>>>> sure the public usage would justify the expense since they mostly use the
>>>>>> keyword search and you need to browse to see cross references. I would like
>>>>>> to see developments that all KW searches to touch the authorities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 4:43 PM Carolyn Phillips via
>>>>>> Evergreen-catalogers <evergreen-catalogers at list.evergreen-ils.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have been working here since December 2009 and we have not had
>>>>>>> authority control work done on our catalog by an outside company since I've
>>>>>>> been here.  Our IS department has done at least one thing to update
>>>>>>> authorities, which was changing "cookery" to "cooking."  (We are upgrading
>>>>>>> to 3.7 November 7.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Carolyn Phillips*
>>>>>>> she/her/hers <https://www.mypronouns.org/>
>>>>>>> *Cataloger*
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> On 10/26/2021 4:22 PM, Sharon Douglas via Evergreen-catalogers wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's been over 10 years since we last had authority control work done
>>>>>>> on our database.
>>>>>>> I'm not sure it's worth spending money on doing it again.
>>>>>>> Wondering how many public libraries out there have this done once in a
>>>>>>> while, and/or keep up with it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are on version 3.3.4, will probably move to 3.7 early next year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can't decide what value we would get out of spending $13,000 when it
>>>>>>> appears only the browsing function utilizes authority files.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Seriously interested in others opinions!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sharon Douglas
>>>>>>> Automation Coordinatordouglass at gsuite.larl.org
>>>>>>> 218-233-3757 ext. 138
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Mary Llewellyn
>>>>>> Database Manager
>>>>>> Bibliomation, Inc.
>>>>>> 24 Wooster Ave.
>>>>>> Waterbury, CT 06708
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