[Evergreen-catalogers] should we spend money on authority control?

Wed Oct 27 11:17:20 EDT 2021

Ok. Thanks!

On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 11:08 AM Kate Coleman <kcoleman at jeffcolib.org>
wrote:

> Johnathon, we have some catalogers that prefer the site you posted and
> some that prefer the LC Authorities site
> <https://authorities.loc.gov/webvoy.htm>. Either is good!
>
>
> Kate Coleman, MLIS
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> Missouri Evergreen Consortium
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> On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 10:03 AM Johnathon Redmon via Evergreen-catalogers
> <evergreen-catalogers at list.evergreen-ils.org> wrote:
>
>> Perhaps a little off topic, but the link I have been using to find/check
>> my subject headings/genre terms is
>> https://id.loc.gov/authorities/subjects.html. Is this an ok link to use
>> for that?
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 10:40 AM Elaine Hardy via Evergreen-catalogers <
>> evergreen-catalogers at list.evergreen-ils.org> wrote:
>>
>>> PINES does have a vendor that does authority work. However, I believe it
>>> is suspended because of issues with Evergreen authority control. I am not
>>> the lead on this so I am not certain of all the issues. I do know that
>>> headings don't update properly and that duplicates are created.
>>>
>>> I would also like to see cross referencing in all searches and not just
>>> browse.
>>>
>>> I think there is value in updating headings regularly, particular since
>>> LC is beginning to make changes to update outdated, offensive, and
>>> inaccurate headings. While glacially slow, they are making some changes (Two
>>> examples: Evacuation and relocation, 1942-1945 changed to Forced
>>> removal and internment, 1942-1945  for Japanese -- Canada, Japanese
>>> American, etc.  And Tulsa Race Riot to Tulsa Race Massacre)
>>>
>>> While we have not done a complete formal document, the cataloging
>>> interest group and catalogers in general have communicated to developers
>>> what we need in an authority file. We did have a running list some years
>>> ago on our wiki and have commented extensively in conference sessions about
>>> authority control in Evergreen. There are also a number of bug reports. All
>>> of which is not a substitute for development specifications but we haven't
>>> been silent about the issues we see and what we need.
>>>
>>> I think the lack of effective and robust authority control prevents many
>>> libraries from choosing Evergreen as their ILS, particularly large
>>> academics and research institutions.
>>>
>>>
>>> J. Elaine Hardy, PINES and Collaborative Projects Manager
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>>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 8:42 AM Kate Coleman via Evergreen-catalogers <
>>> evergreen-catalogers at list.evergreen-ils.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's a great suggestion, Rogan. I'll bring it up to the Cataloging
>>>> group and see if we can get the ball rolling.
>>>>
>>>> Non-thread topic, I love Sanderson and this series has been on my TBR
>>>> list for ages. I'm an audiobook reader, though, and I don't like the
>>>> narrator of this series, so I'm finally making a point to reading actual
>>>> words. LOL Love me some epic fantasy!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kate Coleman, MLIS
>>>> Technical Services Manager, Jefferson County Library
>>>> Missouri Evergreen Consortium
>>>> 5678 State Rd. PP
>>>> High Ridge, MO 63049
>>>> 636-677-8689
>>>> Fax: 636--677-1769
>>>> kcoleman at jeffcolib.org
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>>>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 7:31 AM Rogan Hamby <rogan.hamby at equinoxoli.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This is an area we could definitely use squeaky wheels in, including
>>>>> documenting in launchpad desired behaviors.  Maybe this is something the
>>>>> cataloging working group would want to take up?  If the desired end results
>>>>> were well documented that would provide a foundation for an institution
>>>>> that wanted to push for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, on a non-thread related topic I noticed in your signature that
>>>>> you're reading Way of Kings.  I hope you enjoy it, I have really enjoyed
>>>>> the whole series to date.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 8:18 AM Kate Coleman via Evergreen-catalogers <
>>>>> evergreen-catalogers at list.evergreen-ils.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with Mary. While our consortium does use an authority
>>>>>> management company, I wish Evergreen authority capabilities were better.
>>>>>> Validation works weirdly, cross referencing doesn't actually cross, and I'm
>>>>>> just disappointed tbh. However, I am thankful we do have the service and
>>>>>> remain hopeful for improvements with EG authorities. When those
>>>>>> improvements DO come, our catalog will be ready for it because of our
>>>>>> authority company. I'll be the first to admit that while I'm unhappy, I
>>>>>> haven't spent a lot of time researching how to make it better, making
>>>>>> launchpad bugs, or being a squeaky wheel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kate Coleman, MLIS
>>>>>> Technical Services Manager, Jefferson County Library
>>>>>> Missouri Evergreen Consortium
>>>>>> 5678 State Rd. PP
>>>>>> High Ridge, MO 63049
>>>>>> 636-677-8689
>>>>>> Fax: 636--677-1769
>>>>>> kcoleman at jeffcolib.org
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 6:52 PM Mary Llewellyn via
>>>>>> Evergreen-catalogers <evergreen-catalogers at list.evergreen-ils.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We haven’t had authority control done since our last ILS. We’re not
>>>>>>> sure the public usage would justify the expense since they mostly use the
>>>>>>> keyword search and you need to browse to see cross references. I would like
>>>>>>> to see developments that all KW searches to touch the authorities.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 4:43 PM Carolyn Phillips via
>>>>>>> Evergreen-catalogers <evergreen-catalogers at list.evergreen-ils.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have been working here since December 2009 and we have not had
>>>>>>>> authority control work done on our catalog by an outside company since I've
>>>>>>>> been here.  Our IS department has done at least one thing to update
>>>>>>>> authorities, which was changing "cookery" to "cooking."  (We are upgrading
>>>>>>>> to 3.7 November 7.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Carolyn Phillips*
>>>>>>>> she/her/hers <https://www.mypronouns.org/>
>>>>>>>> *Cataloger*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Grand Rapids Public Library | Celebrating 150 Years
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>>>>>>>> Main Library | 111 Library St NE | 49503
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>>>>>>>> 616-988-5400 x5462 <16169885400,5462> | www.grpl.org
>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2021 4:22 PM, Sharon Douglas via Evergreen-catalogers
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's been over 10 years since we last had authority control work done
>>>>>>>> on our database.
>>>>>>>> I'm not sure it's worth spending money on doing it again.
>>>>>>>> Wondering how many public libraries out there have this done once in a
>>>>>>>> while, and/or keep up with it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We are on version 3.3.4, will probably move to 3.7 early next year.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can't decide what value we would get out of spending $13,000 when it
>>>>>>>> appears only the browsing function utilizes authority files.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Seriously interested in others opinions!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sharon Douglas
>>>>>>>> Automation Coordinatordouglass at gsuite.larl.org
>>>>>>>> 218-233-3757 ext. 138
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Database Manager
>>>>>>> Bibliomation, Inc.
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>>>>>>> Waterbury, CT 06708
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