[Evergreen-governance-l] FW: Evergreen Foundation

Thu Aug 5 19:01:42 EDT 2010

Dan,

Thanks for sending along the Sugar Labs info.  This looks very useful.  I
hope everyone will take a peek.

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Governance

Lori

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Dan Scott <dan at coffeecode.net> wrote:

> In the short term, I'm okay with having one rep per "initiative" on
> the governance committee, as well as giving an actual voice to the
> development/support vendors (who are... Equinox, ByWater, and...? I
> think someone said that there were 4 such vendors, it's sad that I
> can't name who the other 2 are, my apologies)
>
> However, in the long term... Hmm, we're getting ahead of ourselves,
> and stepping into the governance structure sub-committee area of
> responsibility, but I'll jump in anyway and assert that I would be
> uncomfortable with a formula that awards votes based on population
> served or number of member libraries. Given that the focus is on the
> project, I would hope that if there is a formula (beyond the standard
> +1/-1 of interested parties that ), that some reflection of the
> relative level of contribution to the project would be recognized in
> that formula.
>
> I used to work for IBM; when Microsoft and IBM were partnering on the
> creation of OS/2 (before my time! but I read about that dark period),
> Bill Gates was quoted as saying something along the lines of
> "Microsoft is writing the code, and IBM is contributing masses of
> asses." I believe we want governance for the project to be provided by
> active contributors to the project - whether code, or translations, or
> tests, or skins, or documentation, or requirements, or artwork, or Web
> site design, or editing a newsletter, or supporting others on IRC /
> mailing lists... In my opinion, governance should be seen as the
> lowest level of contribution to the project. Which I realize turns the
> normal conventions that recognize governance as the role to which one
> should aspire on their head, but if we have 100 people governing a
> project with 10 actual contributors, then:
>
> 1) That project is wildly top heavy and will discuss issues endlessly
> with no tangible benefit to the actual project, while the contributors
> ignore them. Or:
>
> 2) Those contributors will move on to some other project where their
> contributions are appreciated. Or fork the project, if they value the
> work they're doing but find that the governance structure of the
> current project is unwieldy. See the history of Joomla (forked from
> Mambo) for an example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joomla
>
> For an example of a contribution-based governance structure, see
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Governance ; applications for
> membership are filed by individuals and approved on the basis of those
> individuals' contributions to the Sugar Labs project, and then that
> member base elects an Oversight Board (the governance structure for
> the project).
>
> Dan
>
> On 4 August 2010 22:52, Lori Bowen Ayre <lori.ayre at galecia.com> wrote:
> > One of the things we're doing on the RSCEL site is to capture the
> Evergreen
> > Initiatives.  SITKA, Michigan Evergreen, Evergreen Indiana, Bibliomation,
> > PaLs, Sita, and KCLS all being an "initiative."  Maybe we should allow
> for
> > one "initiative rep" on the governance committee (for now) and eventually
> > plan on some kind of federalist arrangement whereby we have one rep per
> > inititaive (e.g. the senate) plus some number of reps (or votes?) based
> on
> > the number of member libraries or population served (?) within each
> > initiative....
> > Just a thought.
> > P.S.  Please enter info about your "initiative" at
> > http://rscel/evergreen-ils.org/evergreen/about/projects
> > Lori
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Hyman, Ben EDUC:EX <Ben.Hyman at gov.bc.ca>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> As a lurker on the list/committee, I should fess up that Sitka is
> >> represented alternately by James Fournie and myself, but we are clearly
> both
> >> terrible at calendar management so have missed - well - every meeting
> since
> >> the in-person in Grand Rapids. Apologies for that (I do monitor the
> >> minutes). Like BiblioMation, PaLs and etc, Sitka grows every month (36
> sites
> >> live and counting!). I agree that interim committee membership should be
> >> clarified and suspect that with that clarification, publication of a
> >> guesstimated timeline towards the post-interim phase would help
> bystanders
> >> out.
> >>
> >> Ben Hyman
> >> Manager, Policy & Technology
> >> Public Library Services Branch, Ministry of Education
> >> ben.hyman at gov.bc.ca
> >> 250-387-4043
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: evergreen-governance-l-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org on
> behalf
> >> of Amy Terlaga
> >> Sent: Wed 8/4/2010 4:46 PM
> >> To: Corridan, Jim (ICPR)
> >> Cc: evergreen-governance-l
> >> Subject: Re: [Evergreen-governance-l] FW: Evergreen Foundation
> >>
> >> Yes, I think that's right. I think that Monica from PLS in CA might be
> >> interested, for instance.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Aug 4, 2010, at 7:33 PM, "Corridan, Jim (ICPR)" <
> jcorridan at icpr.IN.gov>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I concur, but think we better develop a process or rational for
> >> > membership in the interim committee before we have additional
> requests.
> >> >
> >> > Jim
> >> >
> >> > Jim Corridan
> >> > Deputy State Librarian
> >> > Indiana State Library
> >> >
> >> > ________________________________
> >> > From: evergreen-governance-l-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org
> >> > [evergreen-governance-l-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf
> Of Lori
> >> > Bowen Ayre [lori.ayre at galecia.com]
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 7:16 PM
> >> > To: Amy Terlaga
> >> > Cc: evergreen-governance-l
> >> > Subject: Re: [Evergreen-governance-l] FW: Evergreen Foundation
> >> >
> >> > I am in favor of a PALS representative joining us on the Governance
> >> > Committee.
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Amy Terlaga
> >> > <terlaga at biblio.org<mailto:terlaga at biblio.org>> wrote:
> >> > Okay, so do we take a vote?  Ask if there are any who disagree with
> this
> >> > position to speak now or forever hold their peace?
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> >
> >> > On Aug 4, 2010, at 5:59 PM, Galen Charlton
> >> > <gmc at esilibrary.com<mailto:gmc at esilibrary.com>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi,
> >> >>
> >> >> On Aug 4, 2010, at 3:55 PM, Amy Terlaga wrote:
> >> >>> I'd hate to have to resign from this committee ...
> >> >>
> >> >> And to be clear, my preference is definitely for expansiveness, not
> >> >> contraction.
> >> >>
> >> >>> Oh, and in a follow-up email, Jenny Turner wanted to know if all
> three
> >> >>> of
> >> >>> them (Anoop, Jenny, and Stephen, their director) could sit in on
> these
> >> >>> meetings.  I'm assuming that if we did say yes, we'd limit them to
> >> >>> just one
> >> >>> representative.
> >> >>
> >> >> Expanding on Elizabeth's suggestion, I suggest that they designate
> one
> >> >> person to be the formal representative to the committee, but if all
> three of
> >> >> them want to participate on subcommittees, that would be fine.
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >>
> >> >> Galen
> >> >> --
> >> >> Galen Charlton
> >> >> VP, Data Services
> >> >> Equinox Software, Inc. / Your Library's Guide to Open Source
> >> >> email:  gmc at esilibrary.com<mailto:gmc at esilibrary.com>
> >> >> direct: +1 352-215-7548
> >> >> skype:  gmcharlt
> >> >> web:    http://www.esilibrary.com/
> >> >>
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