[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ILL templaterecords with Holds not targeting

Mike Rylander mrylander at gmail.com
Thu Aug 20 20:40:35 EDT 2009

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Coleman, Marlene<mcoleman at bcgov.net> wrote:
> Hi Mike,
> Thanks for the update.  I too suspected indexing/ingest problems awhile back, when talking/emailing with Don re this. Then I believed that that problem had been resolved or a fix had happened.  I thought I would put the issue out to the list to see if others were having the same problem (with v1.4 or whichever).  The most recent example that I sent in to Equinox for investigation, didn't show up on the 'pull holds list' for two days (placed 8/17, appeared 8/19).

The specific workflow you are using, creating a full bib record for
incoming ILLs and attaching items to that, is unique as far as I know,
but there's no harm in asking, of course.

> Does the "Previous check time" change or is it a good indication of when the item was first found for a hold? Also what is the "targeting  interval expiration"?

That is undetermined at this point.  It depends on the specific ingest
failure mode, so it may be updated in some cases and may not in

By "targeting interval expiration" I was referring to the automatic
retargeting interval (normally 24 or 48 hours).  The hold is not
retargeted at previous + 24 hours on the dot, but within 15 minutes
(or the configured interval) after that time has passed.


> Thanks for your response!
> Marlene
> Marlene F. Coleman
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> From: Mike Rylander <mrylander at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds for ILLs on Template bib records
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> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Sharp,
> Chris<csharp at georgialibraries.org> wrote:
>> Hi Marlene,
>>> We are trying to place Title holds, and they are for the same org unit
>>> owning the item (we do have branches). We were aware that the
>>> "targeter" was on a 15 minute delay, but the delay in finding the item
>>> is much more than that, sometimes a day or two days
>> The targeter program sometimes takes much longer than every 15 minutes. ?The script looks to see if the targeter is already running (by checking for the existence of the /tmp/hold_targeter-LOCK file), and if the lockfile is present, it checks again 15 minutes later. ?In PINES, depending on the volume of holds placed, this can take hours rather than the expected 15 minutes.
> The 15 minute time (well, strictly speaking, the configured
> re-targeting run time) is just for re-targeting after the targeting
> interval has expired.  Initial targeting occurs when the hold is
> placed, so something else is going on here.
> I suspect that this is another side-effect of the intermittent ingest
> issue that has shown up recently.  If the record fails to ingest
> properly then some required data (extracted from the fixed fields, and
> used to determine the record type) won't be there and can cause the
> targeting to exit early.  There is a more aggressive workaround than
> the hourly cleanup (Marlene, this has been proposed to your
> consortium, in fact) that we believe will address this until we have
> completely pinned down the root cause of this intermittent issue.
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> Mike Rylander
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Mike Rylander
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