[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Deleting Patron Accounts - AND books?

[Rogan Hamby]

I didn't think that's what you meant, it's just what popped in my head.
Reference work has taught me to never assume I do know what folks mean.  :)



On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Walz, Jennifer <jlwalz at asbury.edu> wrote:

> All –
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>   Well, I am sorry that I was not obvious enough.    But CERTAINLY I would
> not want to delete anything with items / volumes / copies attached.  That
> is just silly.
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> But I seriously don’t care about the bib / item / copy etc when it CAN be
> deleted.   I don’t want “ historical” data.     The whole point of deletion
> is to delete it!   So, make it go away.
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> Otherwise, call it something else and “park” it in a hidden status or
> something.   Don’t call it deleting, if you are actually NOT deleting it in
> actual fact.   When I delete something it goes away – off the server, out
> of the data record, gone.
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> And now that I know that patron records are not actually deleted
> either??!!  UGH!!   You are killing me.    I like clean data files.
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>    And now, back to your regularly scheduled programming…
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> Jennifer
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> --------------------------------------------------
> Jennifer Walz, MLS - Head of Research & Distance Services
> Kinlaw Library -  *Asbury University*
> One Macklem Drive, Wilmore, KY 40390
> 859-858-3511 ext. 2269
> jlwalz at asbury.edu
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> *From:* Open-ils-general [mailto:
> open-ils-general-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Rogan
> Hamby
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 04, 2015 4:42 PM
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> *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group
> *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Deleting Patron Accounts - AND books?
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> Based on another reply I think she meant more of permanently deleting than
> cascading a delete.  I wasn't clear on that initially.  I think there would
> be real dangers in the same scenarios Elaine brought up.  As for
> permanently obliterating other kinds of records I don't think there's one
> answer that is right for everyone.  I can appreciate the view point of
> "it's gone I don't need it anymore, it's a waste of bits in storage and
> another pass through the tables" but I like looking at historical data so
> I'm very hesitant to toss any of it.  Evergreen's default "don't throw
> anything away" behavior appeals to me.
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> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Hardy, Elaine <ehardy at georgialibraries.org>
> wrote:
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> No. Just No. Unless it was totally configurable and could never, ever show
> up if we didn’t want it. Ever. The thought of having to correct the
> resultant mess if someone could delete at the bib record level while vols
> and copies are attached in a consortium database will give me nightmares. I
> know that it would be tied to permissions but still. No. The few number of
> times a cataloger could use it on a record with just their library’s
> holdings attached would not be worth the possibility of someone incorrectly
> deleting a record with 1000s of items attached.
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> Perhaps what Jennifer meant was to truly delete a bibliographic record
> after one has deleted all copies and volumes attached? However, as Jason
> points out with patron info, totally deleting bib records, volumes, and
> copies would also negatively impact referential integrity in the database.
> It is also nice to be able to undelete a bib record if needed.
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> *Elaine*
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> J. Elaine Hardy
> PINES & Collaborative Projects Manager
> Georgia Public Library Service
> 1800 Century Place, Ste 150
> Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304
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> 404.235.7128
> 404.235.7201, fax
> ehardy at georgialibraries.org
> www.georgialibraries.org
> www.georgialibraries.org/pines
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> *From:* Open-ils-general [mailto:
> open-ils-general-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Rogan
> Hamby
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 04, 2015 3:40 PM
> *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group
> *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Deleting Patron Accounts - AND books?
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> Like delete the bib records and let it caascade down and delete all
> associated volumes and copies?
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> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 3:34 PM, Walz, Jennifer <jlwalz at asbury.edu> wrote:
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> All –
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> Boy, it sure would be nice if we had the same options with books.  (i.e.
> bib records, item records, copy records, and the like)
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>   J
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> Please?
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> Thanks!
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> Jennifer
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> Jennifer Walz, MLS - Head of Ebsco Irritations
> Kinlaw Library -  *Asbury University*
> One Macklem Drive, Wilmore, KY 40390
> 859-858-3511 ext. 2269
> jlwalz at asbury.edu
>
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> *From:* Open-ils-general [mailto:
> open-ils-general-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Rogan
> Hamby
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 04, 2015 1:33 PM
> *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group
> *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Deleting Patron Accounts
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> --
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> Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA
>
> Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services,
>
> York County Library System
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> “You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to suit
> me.”
> ― C.S. Lewis <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/1069006.C_S_Lewis>
>



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Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA
Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services,
York County Library System

“You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to suit
me.”
― C.S. Lewis <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/1069006.C_S_Lewis>
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