[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Deleting Patron Accounts - AND books?

Tue Aug 4 16:49:27 EDT 2015

All –

  Well, I am sorry that I was not obvious enough.    But CERTAINLY I would not want to delete anything with items / volumes / copies attached.  That is just silly.

But I seriously don’t care about the bib / item / copy etc when it CAN be deleted.   I don’t want “ historical” data.     The whole point of deletion is to delete it!   So, make it go away.

Otherwise, call it something else and “park” it in a hidden status or something.   Don’t call it deleting, if you are actually NOT deleting it in actual fact.   When I delete something it goes away – off the server, out of the data record, gone.

And now that I know that patron records are not actually deleted either??!!  UGH!!   You are killing me.    I like clean data files.

   And now, back to your regularly scheduled programming…

Jennifer
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Jennifer Walz, MLS - Head of Research & Distance Services
Kinlaw Library -  Asbury University
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From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Rogan Hamby
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 4:42 PM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Deleting Patron Accounts - AND books?

Based on another reply I think she meant more of permanently deleting than cascading a delete.  I wasn't clear on that initially.  I think there would be real dangers in the same scenarios Elaine brought up.  As for permanently obliterating other kinds of records I don't think there's one answer that is right for everyone.  I can appreciate the view point of "it's gone I don't need it anymore, it's a waste of bits in storage and another pass through the tables" but I like looking at historical data so I'm very hesitant to toss any of it.  Evergreen's default "don't throw anything away" behavior appeals to me.

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Hardy, Elaine <ehardy at georgialibraries.org<mailto:ehardy at georgialibraries.org>> wrote:
No. Just No. Unless it was totally configurable and could never, ever show up if we didn’t want it. Ever. The thought of having to correct the resultant mess if someone could delete at the bib record level while vols and copies are attached in a consortium database will give me nightmares. I know that it would be tied to permissions but still. No. The few number of times a cataloger could use it on a record with just their library’s holdings attached would not be worth the possibility of someone incorrectly deleting a record with 1000s of items attached.

Perhaps what Jennifer meant was to truly delete a bibliographic record after one has deleted all copies and volumes attached? However, as Jason points out with patron info, totally deleting bib records, volumes, and copies would also negatively impact referential integrity in the database. It is also nice to be able to undelete a bib record if needed.

Elaine

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From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org<mailto:open-ils-general-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org>] On Behalf Of Rogan Hamby
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 3:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Deleting Patron Accounts - AND books?

Like delete the bib records and let it caascade down and delete all associated volumes and copies?

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 3:34 PM, Walz, Jennifer <jlwalz at asbury.edu<mailto:jlwalz at asbury.edu>> wrote:
All –

Boy, it sure would be nice if we had the same options with books.  (i.e. bib records, item records, copy records, and the like)

  ☺

Please?

Thanks!

Jennifer
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Jennifer Walz, MLS - Head of Ebsco Irritations
Kinlaw Library -  Asbury University
One Macklem Drive, Wilmore, KY 40390
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From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org<mailto:open-ils-general-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org>] On Behalf Of Rogan Hamby
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 1:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Deleting Patron Accounts

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