[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Duplicate entry in authors.tt2 (is this bug 958954?)

[Sarah Childs]

That should be (Added Author) for the 700 field.

And I would be on board with displaying the subfield e as a parenthetical
instead of the plain text as Janet describes, although, alternatively if we
displayed information from the subfield 4 consistently with the subfield e
display, I'd be fine with that too, just so long as it's consistent one way
or the other.

And I hadn't looked for cases where the subfield 4 is repeated, but if only
one is displaying, I agree that should be remedied.

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Sarah Childs <sarahc at zionsvillelibrary.org>
wrote:

> It seems that the current behavior is that there is always a
> parenthetical, and if there is a subfield e present, it always displays as
> well.
>
> I added a subfield 4 to a record, and it appears that what the bug fix
> does is to use the code from the subfield 4 to replace the parenthetical
> information with more descriptive information than the default.
> Unfortunately, the subfield 4 is actually used really rarely, because it's
> optional and catalogers never really got on board with it. So the vast
> majority of the time you get the default, which is either (Author) for the
> 100 field or (Added Author) for the 100 field.  That's so general as to be
> not particularly useful, since when it's accurate that information is
> usually clear from the 245, which is displayed above it. For media it's
> basically always wrong, and it's wrong pretty frequently for books, too.
>
> Based on that, the main change I'd like to see is that the parenthetical
> not be displayed when there is no subfield 4. Right now if we have both
> subfield 4 and subfield e, both are displayed, so I wouldn't really
> describe subfield e as a fallback.  I think if both are present we should
> display one or the other, but I don't really feel strongly about which.
> Whichever is easier is fine with me. :-)
>
> A summary of what I propose:
> If no subfield e or 4, no term should be displayed.
> Display subfield e if present
> Display terms based on codes in subfield 4 if present
> If both subfield e or 4 are present, display one or the other. (Either is
> fine with me)
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Kathy Lussier <klussier at masslnc.org>
> wrote:
>
>>  Hi Sarah,
>>
>> Looking at the subfield e information in that bug, Dan says:
>>
>> Fall back to the $e if there is no explicit relator code;
>>
>> It sounds like you are proposing the opposite, use the $e and, if it's
>> not available, fall back to the relator codes (subfield 4).
>>
>> I would support that change in direction.
>>
>> It sounds like an LP bug is in order! :)
>>
>> Kathy
>>
>>
>> On 05/28/2015 03:15 PM, Sarah Childs wrote:
>>
>>  If the bug is not the same problem as the one Tony is describing, it's
>> very closely related.  The bug does refer to the subfield e, the RDA terms,
>> and it looks like that's what the non-parenthetical terms are in his
>> example.
>>
>>  I would vote for ditching the parenthetical terms entirely. If there are
>> relator terms, display them (subfield e).  If there are not, but there are
>> relator codes (subfield 4), translate and supply those. (Don't give codes,
>> give terms.)  If there is nothing, give nothing, just the names. The
>> parenthetically supplied terms are usually not that useful and often are
>> misleading, redundant, or both.
>>
>> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Kathy Lussier <klussier at masslnc.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  Hi Tony,
>>>
>>> I think this is a different issue. The issue here is that we previously
>>> added (Author) or other relator information in parentheses for pre-RDA
>>> records. Now that we have RDA records, the record is also now displaying
>>> the relator information from subfield e.
>>>
>>> Kathy
>>>
>>>
>>> On 05/28/2015 02:41 PM, Tony Bandy wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hello everyone,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Quick check if you have a moment?  I’m working on TPAC cleanups for our
>>> consortium and am noticing title results that include duplicate author
>>> notations such as this:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Hillenbrand, Laura,
>>> <http://blanchester-training.cool-cat.org/eg/opac/results?query=Hillenbrand%20%20Laura;qtype=author>*
>>>  *author. (Author).* *Herrmann, Edward, 1943-
>>> <http://blanchester-training.cool-cat.org/eg/opac/results?query=Herrmann%20%20Edward%201943;qtype=author>*
>>>  *narrator. (Added Author)*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Doing some digging around, this looks to me like Bug #958954 (see:
>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/958954)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Has anyone encountered this?  Do you think this bug is the same thing?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I can fix this somewhat by going into the authors.tt2 file and removing
>>> the default label, but with that approach, if there is nothing in the
>>> subfield, then there will be zero notation after the author’s name.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If I look at the details for the bug, Dan mentioned there was a fix
>>> released?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for any thoughts you might have!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tony Bandy
>>>
>>> tonyb at ohionet.org
>>>
>>> OHIONET
>>>
>>> 1500 West Lane Ave.
>>>
>>> Columbus, OH  43221-3975
>>>
>>> 614-484-1074 (Direct)
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   --
>>> Kathy Lussier
>>> Project Coordinator
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>  Sarah Childs
>> Technical Services Department Head
>> Hussey-Mayfield Memorial Public Library
>> 250 North Fifth Street
>> Zionsville, IN 46077
>> 317-873-3149 x13330
>> sarahc at zionsvillelibrary.org
>>
>>
>> --
>> Kathy Lussier
>> Project Coordinator
>> Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative(508) 343-0128klussier at masslnc.org
>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Sarah Childs
> Technical Services Department Head
> Hussey-Mayfield Memorial Public Library
> 250 North Fifth Street
> Zionsville, IN 46077
> 317-873-3149 x13330
> sarahc at zionsvillelibrary.org
>



-- 
Sarah Childs
Technical Services Department Head
Hussey-Mayfield Memorial Public Library
250 North Fifth Street
Zionsville, IN 46077
317-873-3149 x13330
sarahc at zionsvillelibrary.org
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