[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC practice time? (Glen Modell)

Thu May 12 15:18:28 EDT 2016

Sorry, I missed the first IRC practice time, so I would welcome another class.  --  Glen.

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Glen Modell
Library Automation Specialist
Ann Arbor District Library
734-327-8322
modellg at aadl.org

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Should we schedule another IRC practice time? (Yamil Suarez)
   2. Re: Should we schedule another IRC practice time? (Carol Yarrison)
   3. Evergreen 2.10.3 released (Galen Charlton)
   4. Re: Should we schedule another IRC practice time?
      (scott.thomas at sparkpa.org)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 14:25:21 -0400
From: Yamil Suarez <ysuarez at berklee.edu>
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
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Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC
	practice time?
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Scott,

Thanks for the question.

One thing I want to bring up for clarity's sake is that IRC is used for two
separate things in our community, just like in other open source project
communities. First of all it is used as an always-on communication channel,
but as well as a platform to hold meetings. Since a good number of
community members are already connecting and communicating on IRC, this
makes it an easy choice to also have our meetings there. That way the
community can read along when a meeting happens in real time, and no new
software needs to be installed/used for access.

For me one of the biggest advantages of IRC is the fact that it is alway
on, automatically logged, and free. Unlike other solutions designed
specifically for meetings which in almost all cases have some or all of the
following limitations: not free, has participant limits, must have at least
one active meeting admin, and creates very large files for meeting
recordings.

I have been part Evergreen related meetings that were held in some of the
platforms that you mentioned. Though we made sure we took minutes to
maintain openness, but to be honest once there are more than 5 participants
it became hard to not interrupt each other. Also, we had to have at least a
single person to fire up the meeting.

Hope this helps,
Yamil

P.S. I will send out another email to pick  from a couple of dates for the
next practice time.

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Yamil Suarez, MCS
Library Systems Administrator/Developer

Stan Getz Library
Berklee College of Music
1140 Boylston St
Boston, MA 02215

ysuarez at berklee.edu
617-747-2617

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Jason Etheridge <jason at esilibrary.com>
wrote:

> >Why has the Evergreen community opted to use IRC chat as an on-line
> meeting venue?
>
> Also, because the developers are there, and they're there for cultural
> reasons in addition to the practical reasons.
>
> And who doesn't like IRC "bots"? :)
>
> --
> Jason Etheridge
> | Community and Migration Manager
> | Equinox Software - Open Your Library
> | 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457)
> | jason at esilibrary.com
> | http://www.esilibrary.com
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 14:54:34 -0400
From: Carol Yarrison <cyarrison at biblio.org>
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Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC
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Yes, please, I was not able to take part in the full thing.

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 11:59 AM, Yamil Suarez <ysuarez at berklee.edu> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Last week the IRC practice time went well, and we had a good bunch of
> folks trying out IRC. I wanted to check in if there was interest for a
> second practice time. I am all for it, but I wanted to verify that there
> was community interest. Remember to include your colleagues that are not on
> this list that may want to learn.
>
> I tend to pick times after 12 noon EST to allow those on the west coast to
> join, but I am willing to schedule something in the (east coast) morning
> too.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Yamil
>
>
>
>

-- 
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Carol Yarrison
Help Desk Coordinator/Trainer
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 19:54:19 -0400
From: Galen Charlton <gmc at esilibrary.com>
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
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Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Evergreen 2.10.3 released
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Hi,

We are pleased to announce the release of Evergreen 2.10.3, a critical
bugfix release.

* Evergreen 2.10.3 fixes a critical bug wherein a newly-registered
patron record could not be used to log in to Evergreen using the
password supplied during registration. Under some circumstances, the
same bug could also prevent patron records that were modified via the
patron registration form from being used to log in.
* Also, emails sent using the Action Trigger SendEmail reactor now
always MIME-encode the From, To, Subject, Bcc, Cc, Reply-To, and
Sender headers. As a consequence, non-ASCII character in those fields
are more likely to be displayed correctly in email clients.

Please visit the downloads page [1] to retrieve the server software
and staff clients. Due to the nature of the critical bug fixed in this
release, we strongly recommend that users and testers of the 2.10.x
series upgrade as soon as possible.

[1] https://evergreen-ils.org/egdownloads/

Regards,

Galen
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Galen Charlton
Infrastructure and Added Services Manager
Equinox Software, Inc. / Open Your Library
email:  gmc at esilibrary.com
direct: +1 770-709-5581
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Supporting Koha and Evergreen: http://koha-community.org &
http://evergreen-ils.org

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 12:24:30 +0000
From: "scott.thomas at sparkpa.org" <scott.thomas at sparkpa.org>
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
	<open-ils-general at list.georgialibraries.org>
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC
	practice time?
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Thank you, everyone, for your responses. Regarding the cost of another solution, I am sure, if all of the larger consortia contributed, we could come up with something. Having said that, the other reasons everyone gave for using IRC are indeed compelling. Who hasn’t been burned by a Java download when trying to access an on-line meeting? I can’t say I am thrilled. I’d be happy if I never had to see another command prompt in any context and was disappointed that I missed the recent documentation meeting because I could not get IRC to work, but I will avail myself of any practice sessions, and I may yet learn to love IRC. This is all new to me.

Thank you again.

Scott

From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Holly Brennan
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2016 2:06 PM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group <open-ils-general at list.georgialibraries.org>
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC practice time?

I’ll chime in, too, as a relative newcomer -

IRC was completely new to me three years ago, but I found it easy to learn the more “advanced” ins-and-outs (because there’s really nothing to learn when all you want to do is ask a question) . I like being able to hop on using any browser or program I want, with nothing to install, anytime I’ve needed to.

Sadly, I cannot say the same for any of the fancier meeting platforms. Most webinars I’ve used on these platforms require 15 minutes at the beginning of the session to explain how to chat/alert/etc, and there is usually someone who can’t connect to one or more parts. I have found myself in those situations, and I consider myself quite tech-savvy.

I love the simplicity (and yes, antiquity) of the IRC interface! (And there are many other benefits, as already stated)

-Holly

Holly Brennan
Technology Specialist
Homer Public Library

hbrennan at cityofhomer-ak.gov<mailto:hbrennan at cityofhomer-ak.gov>
907-435-3154 (direct)
907-235-3180 (main desk)

From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Chris Sharp
Sent: Monday, May 9, 2016 9:46 AM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC practice time?

A couple of pro-IRC points to consider as well:
- conversations are publicly logged and web-searchable
- despite the apparent intimidation factor for new users (mitigated by sessions like Yamil so generously offers), it's a low point of entry
- can accommodate hundreds (or thousands) of users who can participate in real time, making meetings truly public (the most I've seen teleconferencing software accommodate is maybe 15, increasing costs for whoever is hosting the meeting)
I'm open to individual committees or the Evergreen Oversight Board occasionally using conference software for a more face-to-face feel, but I hope we will continue using IRC for most community business for the above reasons (and the ones Ben mentioned).
Just my two cents,
Chris

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Ben Shum <ben at evergreener.net<mailto:ben at evergreener.net>> wrote:

It's a reasonable question and one we should continue to evaluate over time.

One reason we did not always like products like gotomeeting, etc. was cost. While community volunteers could grant access to their organizations resources, the community itself never decided to spend money on platforms. Freenode IRC is free to use.

Another reason is cross platform compatibility; some of us used Linux workstations and these did not always play nicely with those applications.

After this many years on IRC, it's second nature to me, but I also see the value considering alternative solutions if we can work through all the logistics and continue to keep barriers of access to a minimum.

-- Ben

Sent from my Nexus 6
On May 9, 2016 12:01 PM, "scott.thomas at sparkpa.org<mailto:scott.thomas at sparkpa.org>" <scott.thomas at sparkpa.org<mailto:scott.thomas at sparkpa.org>> wrote:
I’d like to ask a general question about this since I am still fairly new to the community. Why has the Evergreen community opted to use IRC chat as an on-line meeting venue? The one time I used it I found it disconcerting in its antiquated look and feel and had difficulty with the etiquette. Why not use GoToMeeting, Blackboard Collaborate, or a similar product? The chat interface in these products is much closer to what most of us are used to and it would add in the possibility of using VOIP and screen sharing. I’ve been curious about this for a while....

Scott

Scott Thomas
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From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org<mailto:open-ils-general-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org>] On Behalf Of Barbara Cormack
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2016 12:46 PM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group <open-ils-general at list.georgialibraries.org<mailto:open-ils-general at list.georgialibraries.org>>
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC practice time?

I second what Stuart said; I'd be interested.  Thanks! -- Barbara

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Forrest, Stuart <sforrest at bcgov.net<mailto:sforrest at bcgov.net>> wrote:
Yes please I missed the last one

Stuart

From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org<mailto:open-ils-general-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org>] On Behalf Of Yamil Suarez
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2016 11:59 AM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC practice time?

Hello,

Last week the IRC practice time went well, and we had a good bunch of folks trying out IRC. I wanted to check in if there was interest for a second practice time. I am all for it, but I wanted to verify that there was community interest. Remember to include your colleagues that are not on this list that may want to learn.

I tend to pick times after 12 noon EST to allow those on the west coast to join, but I am willing to schedule something in the (east coast) morning too.

Thanks in advance,
Yamil

--
Barbara Cormack
Project Manager
Equinox Software - Open Your Library
1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457)
barbara at esilibrary.com<mailto:barbara at esilibrary.com>
www.esilibrary.com<http://www.esilibrary.com>

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Chris Sharp
PINES System Administrator
Georgia Public Library Service
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Atlanta, Georgia 30345
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