[Eg-oversight-board] Fwd: Evergreen participation in Outreachy?

Kathy Lussier klussier at masslnc.org
Thu Sep 8 16:32:17 EDT 2016 

Hi Sharon,

We deferred the discussion during a meeting last spring, but we did 
discuss it briefly at our August meeting. 
http://irc.evergreen-ils.org/evergreen/2016-08-10#i_260824

It looks like we left the discussion hanging with little resolution, but 
my plan was to discuss it further in person at the November hack-a-way. 
Maybe a dedicated meeting on this topic would be better so that it 
include those who will not be able to attend the hack-a-way. I think 
hearing from new developers would provide a lot of insight. I know 
MassLNC's former developer, Jake, had a lot of thoughts on the idea.

Kathy


On 09/08/2016 04:24 PM, Sharon Herbert wrote:
> Agreed re: mentorship. I think participation in programs like Outreach 
> should demonstrate good return on investment in terms of $ cost to 
> participate and valuable community member time. Growing our internal 
> mentorship processes seems a better ROI. So, I think we should skip 
> Outreachy.
>
> A recent developer meeting had some time on the agenda to discuss how 
> to better help new developers/potential developers climb the learning 
> curve faster; I don't think that discussion happened due to time 
> constraints. We have a new developer who could offer some insights, 
> I'm sure there are others in the community too, so maybe a focused 
> developer meeting on this topic would be a good place to start?
>
> thanks,
> Sharon
> Quoting Ruth Frasur <director at hagerstownlibrary.org>:
>
>> Agree on the mentorship vs. internship.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Terran McCanna <
>> tmccanna at georgialibraries.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm with Kathy on this.
>>>
>>> >>Bringing this thread back to my original question, I'm not sure
>>> participating in a short-term internship program is the right way to 
>>> grow
>>> the developer community. It's helpful in getting more new 
>>> programmers to
>>> learn how to work in an open-source community and, from our 
>>> successful GSoC
>>> experiences, it has led to new features for the software. I think 
>>> these are
>>> all great things. However, I'm not quite sure what the hook is to keep
>>> those former interns active in our community. If we had a mentorship
>>> program that worked with people who are planning to or already 
>>> working in
>>> libraries, I might feel differently because there is more of an 
>>> interest to
>>> stay involved. Even if they don't stay involved, they will continue to
>>> remember their Evergreen experience at some future point when their
>>> libraries are exploring ILS options.<<
>>>
>>> It's always nice to get more people involved on any level, and I'm
>>> certainly not opposed to internship opportunities, but I also think 
>>> that a
>>> mentorship problem would be much more valuable if we can find a way 
>>> to make
>>> that happen.
>>>
>>> Terran
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Terran McCanna
>>> PINES Program Manager
>>> Georgia Public Library Service
>>> 1800 Century Place, Suite 150
>>> Atlanta, GA 30345
>>> 404-235-7138
>>> tmccanna at georgialibraries.org
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Kathy Lussier <klussier at masslnc.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you Lori. That's very generous.
>>>>
>>>> I'll defer to the current EOB members to the question of whether they
>>>> want to pursue this. However, as I mentioned, if we do move 
>>>> forward, we
>>>> need to make the decision fairly soon since there are several other 
>>>> steps
>>>> that need to be taken to determine if the community has volunteers
>>>> interested in making this happen.
>>>>
>>>> Kathy
>>>>
>>>> On 09/07/2016 03:23 PM, Lori Ayre wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Kathy.  And before I read your previous posts, what I was 
>>>> going
>>>> to offer was $500 to offset the costs of being a part of 
>>>> Outreachy.  But I
>>>> wonder if we could do it with the caveat that the intern has to 
>>>> have some
>>>> library connection.....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>> Lori Bowen Ayre //
>>>> Library Technology Consultant / The Galecia Group
>>>> (707) 763-6869 // Lori.Ayre at galecia.com
>>>> Availability:  https://doodle.com/loriayre
>>>>
>>>> Specializing in RFID, automated materials handling,
>>>> workflow optimization, and Drupal services
>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Kathy Lussier <klussier at masslnc.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Lori,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry for the delayed response.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I think it's always helpful for libraries to try to find 
>>>>> additional
>>>>> avenues for getting development done. However, I wanted to clarify 
>>>>> that I
>>>>> wasn't saying there isn't a real need to see growth in the Evergreen
>>>>> developer community. Bringing more active developers into the 
>>>>> community
>>>>> would indeed help to alleviate bottlenecks since more people would be
>>>>> working on the code. It also provides more options to libraries, 
>>>>> which is
>>>>> always a good thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Despite the fact that recent releases include features important to
>>>>> MassLNC, some of which came from our own contributors and some of 
>>>>> which
>>>>> were sponsored, we also have others that are taking longer than we 
>>>>> would
>>>>> have liked. What I was trying to say in my earlier email, though, 
>>>>> is that
>>>>> the inability to move a particular project forward is not the same 
>>>>> thing as
>>>>> saying that all development unrelated to the web client has come 
>>>>> to a halt.
>>>>> It's frustrating when you have to struggle and wait to bring a new 
>>>>> feature
>>>>> to fruition. I know, I've been there. But the software does 
>>>>> continue to
>>>>> grow and, in addition to bringing new features in every release, 
>>>>> has also
>>>>> become more secure for patrons over the past year.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bringing this thread back to my original question, I'm not sure
>>>>> participating in a short-term internship program is the right way 
>>>>> to grow
>>>>> the developer community. It's helpful in getting more new 
>>>>> programmers to
>>>>> learn how to work in an open-source community and, from our 
>>>>> successful GSoC
>>>>> experiences, it has led to new features for the software. I think 
>>>>> these are
>>>>> all great things. However, I'm not quite sure what the hook is to 
>>>>> keep
>>>>> those former interns active in our community. If we had a mentorship
>>>>> program that worked with people who are planning to or already 
>>>>> working in
>>>>> libraries, I might feel differently because there is more of an 
>>>>> interest to
>>>>> stay involved. Even if they don't stay involved, they will 
>>>>> continue to
>>>>> remember their Evergreen experience at some future point when their
>>>>> libraries are exploring ILS options.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bringing in more libraries might also lead to more options because 
>>>>> those
>>>>> libraries could have more technical staff who can contribute to 
>>>>> the project
>>>>> or they may create a larger market, making it more viable for 
>>>>> developers to
>>>>> create their own Evergreen development services company. This is 
>>>>> part of
>>>>> the reason for forming the Outreach Committee - to help us get the 
>>>>> word out
>>>>> about how our libraries are succeeding with Evergreen.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I need to know now, though, is if there is interest from the 
>>>>> EOB in
>>>>> pursuing Outreachy for this session. If there is interest in 
>>>>> funding this
>>>>> internship, we need to also reach out to the community to see if 
>>>>> anyone
>>>>> will volunteer to organize the program and mentor students. If 
>>>>> there isn't
>>>>> interest, I need to get back to the Outreachy folks to let them know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kathy
>>>>>
>>>>> On 09/02/2016 04:38 PM, Lori Ayre wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your feedback, Kathy. Based on the release notes, it does
>>>>> look like some important progress is being made. Be advised that I 
>>>>> was
>>>>> reporting what I'm hearing from people as I talk to various Evergreen
>>>>> community members so it is a perception out there even if there is 
>>>>> some
>>>>> good progress being made.  I wonder if it has more to do with who's
>>>>> enhancements are represented in the release notes. If a library 
>>>>> has had
>>>>> something on a wish list for a long time and they haven't made any 
>>>>> progress
>>>>> bringing it to fruition, I imagine they would be frustrated.
>>>>>
>>>>> So maybe part of the problem is that people don't know what they 
>>>>> need to
>>>>> do to increase the likelihood of a desired enhancement getting the 
>>>>> right
>>>>> kind of attention. That might be another angle to focus on....is 
>>>>> there a
>>>>> resource out there that provides some guidance about the process for
>>>>> getting an enhancement into the code? From my point of view, the 
>>>>> libraries
>>>>> seem to think the solution to getting an enhancement is to hire 
>>>>> Equinox to
>>>>> do it.  So, it is possible that many libraries have created their own
>>>>> bottleneck by relying on only one development team.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you think you feel better about the progress being made with
>>>>> Evergreen because of MassLNC's very active involvement in the 
>>>>> development
>>>>> and developer community? My belief is that you and your team 
>>>>> represent a
>>>>> model that others should be replicating.  Do you think that if more
>>>>> consortia were doing the kinds of work you and the folks in 
>>>>> Massachusetts
>>>>> are doing in terms of documentation and coding, we wouldn't have 
>>>>> some of
>>>>> the bottlenecks?
>>>>>
>>>>> Lori
>>>>>
>>>>> P.S. I don't want to give the impression I'm picking on Equinox. I
>>>>> appreciate all the work they do for sure.  I'm looking for 
>>>>> feedback because
>>>>> I want to a) support Evergreen and do whatever I can to contribute 
>>>>> to its
>>>>> success as I do my consulting work and b) see if my ideas of what 
>>>>> would
>>>>> make a difference seem right to those of you in the trenches! So, 
>>>>> feedback
>>>>> appreciated online or offline.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>>> Lori Bowen Ayre //
>>>>> Library Technology Consultant / The Galecia Group
>>>>> (707) 763-6869 // Lori.Ayre at galecia.com
>>>>> Availability:  https://doodle.com/loriayre
>>>>>
>>>>> Specializing in RFID, automated materials handling,
>>>>> workflow optimization, and Drupal services
>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Kathy Lussier <klussier at masslnc.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Lori,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We actually had a discussion at our most recent dev meeting about
>>>>>> building mentorship opportunities for coders and will be 
>>>>>> continuing that
>>>>>> discussion at the hack-a-way in November. It's something that I know
>>>>>> MassLNC is very interested in seeing happen, and I'm sure others 
>>>>>> in the
>>>>>> community feel the same.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, after working firsthand with the OPW program and observing
>>>>>> closely our previous efforts with GSoC, I'm not sure those 
>>>>>> programs are the
>>>>>> best fit for this community. I think those programs work very 
>>>>>> well in
>>>>>> open-source communities where there is a lot of volunteer 
>>>>>> interest because
>>>>>> the software is something that gets broad use in business or in 
>>>>>> personal
>>>>>> life. Those volunteers have an incentive to keep contributing to the
>>>>>> community after the internship because they have a vested 
>>>>>> interest in
>>>>>> seeing the software succeed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Although most of our previous interns have certainly loved 
>>>>>> libraries,
>>>>>> they aren't working in them and, therefore, have no vested 
>>>>>> interest in
>>>>>> continuing in the community once their internship is complete. My 
>>>>>> personal
>>>>>> opinion (and others may disagree with me) is that we might have 
>>>>>> better
>>>>>> success if we work with people who are already working in 
>>>>>> libraries or are
>>>>>> involved in MLS programs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do want to take issue with the perception that "all other 
>>>>>> development
>>>>>> comes to a halt." I'm looking at the draft release notes for 2.11 -
>>>>>> https://evergreen-ils.org/documentation/release/RELEASE_NOTES_2_11.html 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and the release notes for our March 2.10 release -
>>>>>> https://evergreen-ils.org/documentation/release/RELEASE_NOTES_2_10.html. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This doesn't look like halted development to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In particular, I would like to point out my personal favorite 
>>>>>> from the
>>>>>> release notes, the activity metric for relevance ranking (AKA 
>>>>>> statistically
>>>>>> generated record ratings) that I think will be a big boon to 
>>>>>> searches
>>>>>> performed in the catalog. This was no small project and was 
>>>>>> completed at
>>>>>> the same time work was being performed on the web client. In 
>>>>>> addition to
>>>>>> the web client, MassLNC has projects lined up to improve 
>>>>>> cross-reference
>>>>>> support and to make much-needed improvements to search. I'm sure 
>>>>>> others
>>>>>> have projects coming down the pike as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not saying that the web client hasn't taken up a lot of 
>>>>>> developer
>>>>>> resources over the past couple of years, that I'm not also 
>>>>>> concerned about
>>>>>> growing developer resources in the community, and that I'm not 
>>>>>> looking
>>>>>> forward to the day when we the web client is not putting such a 
>>>>>> strain on
>>>>>> our existing developer resources. But I do want to point out that 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> software is moving forward even as the web client project proceeds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please understand that the web client is a very large project that,
>>>>>> while resource intensive, will ultimately bring many benefits to 
>>>>>> Evergreen
>>>>>> users. It's large, and it has to be large if we want to see it 
>>>>>> done right.
>>>>>> I applaud Equinox and the larger developer community for taking the
>>>>>> necessary steps to make the big infrastructure changes rather 
>>>>>> than bolting
>>>>>> on small fixes that might lead to short-term happiness, but will 
>>>>>> not bring
>>>>>> the larger improvement that is needed in our software.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kathy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 09/02/2016 02:13 PM, Lori Ayre wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Kathy and all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just went through and read through the thread about 
>>>>>> participating in
>>>>>> this the last time it came up.  And I have to say it was 
>>>>>> disheartening.
>>>>>> Has anything been done around the idea Grace raised - to survey 
>>>>>> people who
>>>>>> have attempted to get involved in coding for Evergreen to find 
>>>>>> out what the
>>>>>> impediments were?  I think that would be very fruitful....if you 
>>>>>> can find
>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a perspective on this topic I'd like to share. I'm working 
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> a couple Evergreen consortia right now and in the process I'm 
>>>>>> talking with
>>>>>> many other consortia on Evergreen (and other ILSs including Koha) 
>>>>>> and there
>>>>>> is a consistent theme that Evergreen development is too slow and 
>>>>>> that this
>>>>>> is beginning to make some consortia question whether Evergreen 
>>>>>> really makes
>>>>>> sense for them.  It isn't uncommon for me hear that people are 
>>>>>> frustrated
>>>>>> that it is taking so long to deliver the web client and that other
>>>>>> enhancements are being tabled until that is done. And it starts 
>>>>>> to feel
>>>>>> strikingly similar to what it was like with a commercial ILS 
>>>>>> where requests
>>>>>> for enhancements were ignored.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think this is because there so few developers. I know Equinox is
>>>>>> focusing their energies on the web client but that shouldn't mean 
>>>>>> all other
>>>>>> development comes to a halt.  There should be more human 
>>>>>> resources involved
>>>>>> so that one company focusing on one big component shouldn't halt 
>>>>>> progress
>>>>>> on everything else.  I know this same thing happened when KCLS 
>>>>>> first got
>>>>>> involved and was able to monopolize the the limited developer 
>>>>>> community to
>>>>>> focus on their priorities. And I have to say that I personally 
>>>>>> attempted to
>>>>>> bring in more developers to the fold (as part of that KCLS 
>>>>>> initiative) so
>>>>>> that instead of monopolizing the limited resources, the end 
>>>>>> result would be
>>>>>> to expand and enrich the pool of developers.  But that turned out 
>>>>>> to be
>>>>>> VERY hard to do. And the people I got interested in development 
>>>>>> and who
>>>>>> tried to get involved...all gave up - discouraged and frustrated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, I'd like to suggest it should be a very high priority to find a
>>>>>> better way to attract, on-board, and retain people who would like 
>>>>>> to get
>>>>>> involved in the Evergreen community on the coding level.  I don't 
>>>>>> think
>>>>>> waiting on delivery of the web client is an adequate strategy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lori
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>>>> Lori Bowen Ayre //
>>>>>> Library Technology Consultant / The Galecia Group
>>>>>> (707) 763-6869 <%28707%29%20763-6869> // Lori.Ayre at galecia.com
>>>>>> Availability:  https://doodle.com/loriayre
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Specializing in RFID, automated materials handling,
>>>>>> workflow optimization, and Drupal services
>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 5:22 AM, Kathy Lussier <klussier at masslnc.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Outreachy (formerly Outreach Program for Women) is happening again.
>>>>>>> The administrators are asking if there is any interest in 
>>>>>>> participating
>>>>>>> from the Evergreen community.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm also linking to the EOB thread from the last time this question
>>>>>>> was raised - http://list.evergreen-ils.org/
>>>>>>> pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2016-February/001209.html.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FWIW, I stand by the comments I made in that previous thread.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kathy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>>>>> Subject: Evergreen participation in Outreachy?
>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 14:11:16 -0700
>>>>>>> From: Sarah Sharp <saharabeara at gmail.com> <saharabeara at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: Kathy Lussier <klussier at masslnc.org> <klussier at masslnc.org>
>>>>>>> CC: outreachy-admins at gnome.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Kathy,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Outreachy program is looking for organizations to 
>>>>>>> participate in
>>>>>>> round 13.  Do you think Evergreen would be willing to 
>>>>>>> participate again?
>>>>>>> The round will open on September 12, and the sooner Evergreen is 
>>>>>>> listed,
>>>>>>> the more likely you'll get strong applicants.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sarah Sharp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Sarah A Sharp 
>>>>>>> <sarah at thesharps.us> <sarah at thesharps.us> wrote:
>>>>>>> > Dear coordinators and mentors,
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Thank you for being a part of our outreach program! The next 
>>>>>>> round for
>>>>>>> > Outreachy is scheduled to open on September 12, with an 
>>>>>>> application deadline
>>>>>>> > of October 17. Internships will run from December 6 to March 6.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > If your organization is interested in participating in the 
>>>>>>> next round,
>>>>>>> > please update your landing page, and let us know by September 
>>>>>>> 7 if you will
>>>>>>> > participate. Organization coordinators and mentors, please 
>>>>>>> coordinate on the
>>>>>>> > following:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >  * Review set up information at
>>>>>>> > https://wiki.gnome.org/Outreachy/Admin/GettingStarted
>>>>>>> >  * Secure funding for your org to sponsor at least one intern 
>>>>>>> ($6,500)
>>>>>>> >  * Update your org's landing page
>>>>>>> >  * List your project ideas and recruit other mentors
>>>>>>> >  * Let us know at outreachy-admins at gnome.org that your org is 
>>>>>>> participating
>>>>>>> >  * Start spreading the word about your org's internships - no 
>>>>>>> need to wait
>>>>>>> > for September 12
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > We plan on having a twitter chat about Outreachy on Wednesday, 
>>>>>>> September 21,
>>>>>>> > to spotlight the organizations that are participating, and 
>>>>>>> allow orgs to
>>>>>>> > answer any questions people have. Participation in the chat is 
>>>>>>> optional, but
>>>>>>> > if you do want to participate, being able to link to a blog 
>>>>>>> post that
>>>>>>> > describes why you're passionate about your project would help 
>>>>>>> us promote
>>>>>>> > your project.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > The updated resources for the upcoming round are:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >  * https://wiki.gnome.org/Outreachy/2016/DecemberMarch - a 
>>>>>>> page with a
>>>>>>> > timeline and participating organizations listing.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >  * https://wiki.gnome.org/Outreachy/Admin/InfoForOrgs and
>>>>>>> > https://wiki.gnome.org/Outreachy/Admin/InfoForOrgs/Proposal - 
>>>>>>> these pages
>>>>>>> > have motivation and information for sponsorship; you can use 
>>>>>>> and customize
>>>>>>> > the text from the Proposal page to approach companies about 
>>>>>>> sponsorship
>>>>>>> > (please do a quick check with Karen, Marina, and myself at
>>>>>>> > outreachy-admins at gnome.org alias first to make sure we 
>>>>>>> coordinate any
>>>>>>> > efforts to approach the same company).
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >  * https://wiki.gnome.org/Outreachy/Admin/GettingStarted - 
>>>>>>> please review
>>>>>>> > this page when you are updating the landing page for your 
>>>>>>> organization.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >  * https://wiki.gnome.org/Outreachy#Contracts - please make 
>>>>>>> all people who
>>>>>>> > volunteer as mentors in your organization aware that they will 
>>>>>>> need to sign
>>>>>>> > a contract similar to this to be a mentor in the program. 
>>>>>>> Interns cannot be
>>>>>>> > paid until their mentors sign the contract, so it is important 
>>>>>>> that mentors
>>>>>>> > sign the contract as soon as the application system opens on 
>>>>>>> September 12.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >  * https://wiki.gnome.org/Outreachy#Eligibility - last year we 
>>>>>>> expanded the
>>>>>>> > Outreachy program to include underrepresented people of color
>>>>>>> > underrepresented in tech in the U.S.  Outreachy continues to 
>>>>>>> be open
>>>>>>> > internationally to women (cis and trans), trans men, and 
>>>>>>> genderqueer people.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Please contact Karen, Marina, and myself at 
>>>>>>> outreachy-admins at gnome.org alias
>>>>>>> > if you have any questions. We hope you can join us for this 
>>>>>>> round!
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Thanks,
>>>>>>> > Sarah Sharp
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Kathy Lussier
>>>>>> Project Coordinator
>>>>>> Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative(508) 
>>>>>> 343-0128klussier at masslnc.org
>>>>>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Kathy Lussier
>>>>> Project Coordinator
>>>>> Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative(508) 
>>>>> 343-0128klussier at masslnc.org
>>>>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>> Kathy Lussier
>>>> Project Coordinator
>>>> Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative(508) 
>>>> 343-0128klussier at masslnc.org
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