[Evergreen-catalogers] RDA search formats

Tue Nov 14 10:56:22 EST 2017

+1

The MP3CD issue is exactly why we look forward to including the 33x in the
coding for search formats/icons.

Mary

On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 8:00 AM, Jonathan Furr <furrjt at forsyth.cc> wrote:

> +1 - on the need for conjunction between fixed fields and 33x tags
>
> I also like Sarah's idea about using the 347$b for the MP3 vs. Playaway
> distinction issue.  That might work.
>
> Best,
>
> Jonathan Furr
> Technical Services
> Forsyth County Public Library
> 336.703.3045 <(336)%20703-3045>
>
> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Jennifer Weston <Jennifer.Weston@
> davidsoncountync.gov> wrote:
>
>> +1 – I agree that the RDA fields can currently only be used in
>> conjunction with codes in 008 and 007/006.  I do think it is great that we
>> are having this conversation.  The RDA fields are powerful but they can’t
>> stand on their own (yet) because we do find ourselves describing multiple
>> content/media/carrier types on the same record sometimes.
>>
>> Janet asks a question that draws attention to what makes this “hybrid”
>> cataloging world so interesting.  I am not aware of a code that identifies
>> a MP3 but I do include a digital file characteristic on the 347‡b to add
>> MP3 as the audio encoding format.  At least, this is an authorized term
>> from RDA 3.19.3.3.  Trying to use a subfield may not be effective or
>> efficient (or possible) for filtering but it is there.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>>
>> *Jennifer *Jennifer Weston
>> Davidson County Public Library
>> Technical Services Manager
>> jennifer.weston at davidsoncountync.gov
>> (336) 242-2941
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Evergreen-catalogers [mailto:evergreen-catalogers-b
>> ounces at list.evergreen-ils.org] *On Behalf Of *Janet Schrader
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 9, 2017 3:50 PM
>> *To:* Evergreen Community Catalogers <evergreen-catalogers at list.eve
>> rgreen-ils.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Evergreen-catalogers] RDA search formats
>>
>>
>>
>> +1.
>>
>>
>>
>> These fields can only be used in conjunction with codes in the 008 and
>> 007/006 fields.
>>
>>
>>
>> While on this topic, I'd like to know if anyone has created a format
>> filter for MP3 CD audiobooks. The 007 field code for SMD is the same as
>> regular CDs. Is there some other code(s) I could use?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Janet
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 1:30 PM, Elaine Hardy <ehardy at georgialibraries.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> +1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> J. Elaine Hardy
>>
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>>
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>>
>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Jane Sandberg <sandbej at linnbenton.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'd actually hesitate at this proposal, since the 33x terms don't
>> really make a lot of distinctions that patrons would find helpful, for
>> example:
>>
>> * Large type vs. standard type have the same 33x
>> * DVD vs. Blu-ray have the same 33x
>> * These fields are all repeatable.  Sometimes those combinations can
>> mean that there are multiple parts, sometimes it means that several
>> formats are incorporated into a single object.  For example, 336$atext
>> and 336$images could mean a picture book, a graphic novel, a book of
>> photographs with captions, an archival collection that includes both
>> pamphlets and paintings, etc.
>>
>> I think that having 33x terms in the mix of
>> what-fields-cause-which-icons is great.  I don't think that they
>> should ever be used without other MARC fields to determine what icons
>> display.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Elaine Hardy
>> <ehardy at georgialibraries.org> wrote:
>> > LC has handy tables that link the RDA terms in the MARC 33x fields to
>> the
>> > 007 field codes : 007/01 (for 338), Leader/06 codes (for 336) and 007/00
>> > (for 337). See http://www.loc.gov/standards/valuelist/index.html. So,
>> for
>> > those search filters (and icons) that utilize those 007 codes, if a bib
>> > record has the 33x fields, those terms and codes could be used instead.
>> >
>> > To further specify icons, the 007 field will still need to be used to
>> > distinguish formats for videorecordings (007/04)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > J. Elaine Hardy
>> > PINES & Collaborative Projects Manager
>> > Georgia Public Library Service/PINES
>> > 1800 Century Place, Ste. 150
>> > Atlanta, GA 30045
>> >
>> > 404.235.7128 <(404)%20235-7128> Office
>> > 404.548.4241 <(404)%20548-4241> Cell
>> > 404.235.7201 <(404)%20235-7201> FAX
>> >
>> > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 9:17 AM, Rogan Hamby <
>> rhamby at equinoxinitiative.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Good morning.
>> >>
>> >> I've started looking at how we can resolve RDA 336/337/338 tags for
>> search
>> >> formats.  There has already been community discussion here:
>> >>
>> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1125621
>> >>
>> >> The good news is that we (the Evergreen 'we') already have that data
>> >> pulled into the database so the next step is to use it.
>> >>
>> >> Before the code is written though I think there are some points for the
>> >> larger community.  The big picture questions are - What combinations
>> should
>> >> map to existing search formats and which might need new ones?  Also, a
>> >> logistic question - When new ones are needed where will the icons come
>> from?
>> >> (I can probably make them if need be.)
>> >>
>> >> Additionally, a working practice question.  My instinct (and I think
>> that
>> >> of many) is to say the code should basically check to see if there are
>> RDA
>> >> values and if so use those and fall back to AACR2.  Are there
>> scenarios in
>> >> practice when both should be used?  Following that up, if they do
>> exist are
>> >> these common enough / follow standards to any degree that we should
>> worry
>> >> about them or are they edge cases?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Rogan Hamby
>> >>
>> >> Data and Project Analyst
>> >>
>> >> Equinox Open Library Initiative
>> >>
>> >> phone:  1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457)
>> >>
>> >> email:  rogan at EquinoxInitiative.org
>> >>
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