[Evergreen-catalogers] RDA search formats

Thu Nov 16 09:44:21 EST 2017

I'm not finding a controlled vocabulary for the 347|b terms. However, there
is no reason why we Evergreen catalogers couldn't come up with a list for
Evergreen if there isn't one (or until there is one). The Music Library
Association has guidelines for the 33x and 34x fields (
http://c.ymcdn.com/sites/www.musiclibraryassoc.org/resource/resmgr/BCC_RDA/Supp_RDA_Best_Practices.pdf)
that might assist us in coming up with our own list.

Elaine

J. Elaine Hardy
PINES & Collaborative Projects Manager
Georgia Public Library Service/PINES
1800 Century Place, Ste. 150
Atlanta, GA 30045

404.235.7128 Office
404.548.4241 Cell
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On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Mike Rylander <mrylander at gmail.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> This is a great discussion!
>
> I just wanted to note that, since the values that can be used in the
> 347$b are not (yet -- is there an authoritative list?) included in the
> Coded Value Map table, they can't yet be used in combination with the
> 33x RDA values or fixed fields.  However, all that is required is
> configuration (adding a Digital File Characteristics coded value map,
> and the record attribute definition to extract the values from
> records) to make that work.  With that, an MP3 CD search and icon
> entry for records encoded as described upthread could work the same
> way as any other composite attribute.
>
> This sounds like a wishlist bug to seed and maintain the required
> coded value map entries, at least, I think.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Mike Rylander
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>
>
> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 11:47 AM, Kathy Lussier <klussier at masslnc.org>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > You can add a new icon by doing the following:
> >
> > - If you haven't done so already, configure the attributes for this icon
> in
> > the Coded Value Maps interface. You will want to add this definition with
> > the OPAC Format Icons record attribute type. Documentation for creating
> > these can be found at
> > http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/2.6/_marc_record_attributes.html.
> >
> > - Give the image the same name as is used for the code field when you
> > configured the format in the Coded Value Maps interface. As an example,
> the
> > image for the cassette audiobook icon in stock evergreen is named
> > casaudiobook.png because the code for this definition is 'casaudiobook.'
> >
> > - Put the image on the server in the
> > /openils/var/web/images/format_icons/icon_format/
> >
> > Kathy
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/14/2017 11:01 AM, Mary Llewellyn wrote:
> >
> > We've done likewise for the coding, but didn't manage a new icon. I'd
> love
> > to know how to get new icons and put them into place.
> >
> > We've also made sure that all our downloadable ebooks/audiobooks/etc. get
> > coded as "o". So many of the vendor files use "s" so we change them
> before
> > loading, so our indexes for those format searches are not muddied with
> > whatever "s" should be assigned to.
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 9:06 AM, Elaine Hardy <
> ehardy at georgialibraries.org>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> We created an icon to use for playaways -- see
> >> https://gapines.org/eg/opac/record/5000978?query=
> playaways;qtype=keyword;locg=1;detail_record_view=0
> >>
> >> First we made sure that all playaways had the current Form (008/23) q
> >> (Direct electronic. Storage on a directly accessible tangible recording
> >> medium, e.g. disc, tape, Playaway device, flashdrive, portable hard
> drive,
> >> etc.) along with the appropriate Type (Leader/06). You will most likely
> find
> >> some with old or incorrect codes for Form -- blank, o, or s.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> J. Elaine Hardy
> >> PINES & Collaborative Projects Manager
> >> Georgia Public Library Service/PINES
> >> 1800 Century Place, Ste. 150
> >> Atlanta, GA 30045
> >>
> >> 404.235.7128 Office
> >> 404.548.4241 Cell
> >> 404.235.7201 FAX
> >>
> >> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 8:00 AM, Jonathan Furr <furrjt at forsyth.cc>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> +1 - on the need for conjunction between fixed fields and 33x tags
> >>>
> >>> I also like Sarah's idea about using the 347$b for the MP3 vs. Playaway
> >>> distinction issue.  That might work.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>>
> >>> Jonathan Furr
> >>> Technical Services
> >>> Forsyth County Public Library
> >>> 336.703.3045
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Jennifer Weston
> >>> <Jennifer.Weston at davidsoncountync.gov> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> +1 – I agree that the RDA fields can currently only be used in
> >>>> conjunction with codes in 008 and 007/006.  I do think it is great
> that we
> >>>> are having this conversation.  The RDA fields are powerful but they
> can’t
> >>>> stand on their own (yet) because we do find ourselves describing
> multiple
> >>>> content/media/carrier types on the same record sometimes.
> >>>>
> >>>> Janet asks a question that draws attention to what makes this “hybrid”
> >>>> cataloging world so interesting.  I am not aware of a code that
> identifies a
> >>>> MP3 but I do include a digital file characteristic on the 347‡b to
> add MP3
> >>>> as the audio encoding format.  At least, this is an authorized term
> from RDA
> >>>> 3.19.3.3.  Trying to use a subfield may not be effective or efficient
> (or
> >>>> possible) for filtering but it is there.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>>
> >>>> Jennifer
> >>>>
> >>>> Jennifer Weston
> >>>> Davidson County Public Library
> >>>> Technical Services Manager
> >>>> jennifer.weston at davidsoncountync.gov
> >>>> (336) 242-2941
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> From: Evergreen-catalogers
> >>>> [mailto:evergreen-catalogers-bounces at list.evergreen-ils.org] On
> Behalf Of
> >>>> Janet Schrader
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 3:50 PM
> >>>> To: Evergreen Community Catalogers
> >>>> <evergreen-catalogers at list.evergreen-ils.org>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Evergreen-catalogers] RDA search formats
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> +1.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> These fields can only be used in conjunction with codes in the 008 and
> >>>> 007/006 fields.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> While on this topic, I'd like to know if anyone has created a format
> >>>> filter for MP3 CD audiobooks. The 007 field code for SMD is the same
> as
> >>>> regular CDs. Is there some other code(s) I could use?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Janet
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 1:30 PM, Elaine Hardy
> >>>> <ehardy at georgialibraries.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> +1
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> J. Elaine Hardy
> >>>>
> >>>> PINES & Collaborative Projects Manager
> >>>>
> >>>> Georgia Public Library Service/PINES
> >>>>
> >>>> 1800 Century Place, Ste. 150
> >>>>
> >>>> Atlanta, GA 30045
> >>>>
> >>>> 404.235.7128 Office
> >>>>
> >>>> 404.548.4241 Cell
> >>>>
> >>>> 404.235.7201 FAX
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Jane Sandberg <
> sandbej at linnbenton.edu>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I'd actually hesitate at this proposal, since the 33x terms don't
> >>>> really make a lot of distinctions that patrons would find helpful, for
> >>>> example:
> >>>>
> >>>> * Large type vs. standard type have the same 33x
> >>>> * DVD vs. Blu-ray have the same 33x
> >>>> * These fields are all repeatable.  Sometimes those combinations can
> >>>> mean that there are multiple parts, sometimes it means that several
> >>>> formats are incorporated into a single object.  For example, 336$atext
> >>>> and 336$images could mean a picture book, a graphic novel, a book of
> >>>> photographs with captions, an archival collection that includes both
> >>>> pamphlets and paintings, etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> I think that having 33x terms in the mix of
> >>>> what-fields-cause-which-icons is great.  I don't think that they
> >>>> should ever be used without other MARC fields to determine what icons
> >>>> display.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Elaine Hardy
> >>>> <ehardy at georgialibraries.org> wrote:
> >>>> > LC has handy tables that link the RDA terms in the MARC 33x fields
> to
> >>>> > the
> >>>> > 007 field codes : 007/01 (for 338), Leader/06 codes (for 336) and
> >>>> > 007/00
> >>>> > (for 337). See http://www.loc.gov/standards/valuelist/index.html.
> So,
> >>>> > for
> >>>> > those search filters (and icons) that utilize those 007 codes, if a
> >>>> > bib
> >>>> > record has the 33x fields, those terms and codes could be used
> >>>> > instead.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > To further specify icons, the 007 field will still need to be used
> to
> >>>> > distinguish formats for videorecordings (007/04)
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > J. Elaine Hardy
> >>>> > PINES & Collaborative Projects Manager
> >>>> > Georgia Public Library Service/PINES
> >>>> > 1800 Century Place, Ste. 150
> >>>> > Atlanta, GA 30045
> >>>> >
> >>>> > 404.235.7128 Office
> >>>> > 404.548.4241 Cell
> >>>> > 404.235.7201 FAX
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 9:17 AM, Rogan Hamby
> >>>> > <rhamby at equinoxinitiative.org>
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Good morning.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> I've started looking at how we can resolve RDA 336/337/338 tags for
> >>>> >> search
> >>>> >> formats.  There has already been community discussion here:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1125621
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> The good news is that we (the Evergreen 'we') already have that
> data
> >>>> >> pulled into the database so the next step is to use it.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Before the code is written though I think there are some points for
> >>>> >> the
> >>>> >> larger community.  The big picture questions are - What
> combinations
> >>>> >> should
> >>>> >> map to existing search formats and which might need new ones?
> Also,
> >>>> >> a
> >>>> >> logistic question - When new ones are needed where will the icons
> >>>> >> come from?
> >>>> >> (I can probably make them if need be.)
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Additionally, a working practice question.  My instinct (and I
> think
> >>>> >> that
> >>>> >> of many) is to say the code should basically check to see if there
> >>>> >> are RDA
> >>>> >> values and if so use those and fall back to AACR2.  Are there
> >>>> >> scenarios in
> >>>> >> practice when both should be used?  Following that up, if they do
> >>>> >> exist are
> >>>> >> these common enough / follow standards to any degree that we should
> >>>> >> worry
> >>>> >> about them or are they edge cases?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Rogan Hamby
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Data and Project Analyst
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Equinox Open Library Initiative
> >>>> >>
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> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> email:  rogan at EquinoxInitiative.org
> >>>> >>
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