[Evergreen-catalogers] Angular staff client catalog

Thu Sep 19 08:24:35 EDT 2019

Just wanted to pop in and say what a great conversation this is. Elizabeth,
I was also disappointed in the lack of information on the search results
screen, but am reassured that this is just the beginning. While I do almost
always go to the MARC and look, I do like having an "at a glance" look at
the bib info. It's a big convenience not just in specific situations like
merging records, but in general.

Kate Coleman
Jefferson County Library - Central Services
Technical Services Specialist
5678 State Rd. PP
High Ridge, MO 63049
636-677-8689
Fax: 636--677-1769
kcoleman at jeffcolib.org

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 7:16 AM Jennifer Weston <
jennifer.weston at equinoxinitiative.org> wrote:

> Excellent idea, indeed!  It will be good to revisit the progress with the
> Angular staff client for cataloging and to continue to offer feedback using
> this launchpad bug.  Thanks to Elizabeth for starting the discussion.  I am
> always impressed with how quickly others respond with your own experiences
> and expectations.  Hooray for community!  As others said, this is still
> very much in development and our input will make a difference.
>
> I will start another email thread to discuss including this topic in an
> upcoming Cataloging Working Group meeting.
> -- Jennifer
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 7:24 AM Terran McCanna <
> tmccanna at georgialibraries.org> wrote:
>
>> I love that idea - this is a great opportunity to really make a
>> difference in how usable and how appealing the catalog is for everyone down
>> the line.
>>
>>
>>
>> Terran McCanna
>> PINES Program Manager
>> Georgia Public Library Service
>> 2872 Woodcock Blvd, Suite 250
>> Atlanta, GA 30341
>> 404-235-7138
>> tmccanna at georgialibraries.org
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 7:13 AM Thomsen, Elizabeth <et at noblenet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Jane!  I wish I had found that Launchpad bug yesterday -- it
>>> helps a lot, especially the screenshots!    I would love it if we could
>>> revisit this again at a meeting, maybe we should do this on a regular basis
>>> to keep in touch with the progress.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 12:06 AM Jane Sandberg <sandbej at linnbenton.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm a fan of the experimental staff catalog.  It has some nice
>>>> quality-of-life improvements (like the holdings view, which -- as far
>>>> as I'm concerned -- takes the best of the XUL and Web client holdings
>>>> views).  And I think there will be more and more of those improvements
>>>> as the project progresses.
>>>>
>>>> Bill Erickson has been adding more and more data to the experimental
>>>> catalog lately: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1839670
>>>>
>>>> I'll also say that Bill has been very receptive to feedback from this
>>>> group.  Maybe in an upcoming Cataloging Working Group meeting we could
>>>> take a look at the very latest version of the experimental catalog and
>>>> put together some feedback about what is missing.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 6:16 PM Thomsen, Elizabeth <et at noblenet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks, Terran, that's helpful and reassuring.  As proof of concept,
>>>> and the way the search elements are displayed and work and all that, it's
>>>> fine.  I have no problem with what's there, only what's not there!
>>>> >
>>>> > On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 9:10 PM Terran McCanna <
>>>> tmccanna at georgialibraries.org> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I have not had a chance to play with 3.3 or 3.4 yet, but it was my
>>>> understanding from Bill's demos earlier this year that he only put enough
>>>> content into the initial display so that it could function as a proof of
>>>> concept to be sure the core search functions and filters were working
>>>> correctly, and that the additional displayed elements were still to be
>>>> worked out after that.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> As for the public and staff catalogs matching or not, I could go
>>>> either way as long as all parties are presented with what is most useful to
>>>> them. Having a single catalog with select elements hidden/displayed for
>>>> each audience is easier to maintain over time. I expect that once the new
>>>> staff catalog is fleshed out to everyone's satisfaction, it could then be
>>>> re-used in the redo of the public catalog, so we would then be back to
>>>> having the same experience in the staff and public catalogs.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Terran McCanna
>>>> >> PINES Program Manager
>>>> >> Georgia Public Library Service
>>>> >> 2872 Woodcock Blvd, Suite 250
>>>> >> Atlanta, GA 30341
>>>> >> 404-235-7138
>>>> >> tmccanna at georgialibraries.org
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 5:04 PM Thomsen, Elizabeth <et at noblenet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> How are people feeling about the Angular staff catalog?  Have you
>>>> shown it to library staff?  We have 3.3 on a test server and this morning
>>>> we turned on the Experimental Catalog to showed to our catalogers for
>>>> feedback.  They were really unhappy with it.  They value having the staff
>>>> and patron views of the catalog match, and they want to see the full view
>>>> of the bibliographic record whether they are determining whether or not the
>>>> record is a match for an item they are inputting, or looking at record they
>>>> added from a workform or Z39.50 to spot and correct problems.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The grid only has a few pieces of information from the
>>>> bibliographic records that are useful in terms of matching the record to
>>>> the item in hand -- the author, the title, the year and the edition
>>>> statement, if any.  No format, publisher, description, ISBN, no links to
>>>> other formats and editions, no cover image.  I appreciate that they added a
>>>> link to View in Catalog, which takes you outside the staff client to the
>>>> public catalog, but that seems very cumbersome for something people are
>>>> going to have to do for practically every record.  And won't public service
>>>> people have all the same problems looking up records for patrons to place
>>>> holds?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I understand the need to Angularize this, and appreciate the work
>>>> that's gone into it.  There's a lot I like here in terms of the UI, but
>>>> with this sparse display of the bib record, it looks like a real step
>>>> backward to us.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> --
>>>> >>> Elizabeth B. Thomsen
>>>> >>> Member Services Manager
>>>> >>> NOBLE: North of Boston Library Exchange
>>>> >>> Danvers, Mass.
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