[evergreen-outreach] proofing copy three

Thu Apr 12 09:06:42 EDT 2018

OK, I can't spend anymore time on this right now but here are links for two
versions of the fourth proofing copy.  This one is similar in size to what
you've been seeing and is the kind for "normal" reading:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/u7bcexxdu41bps0/Evergreen%20Annual%20Report%202017%20proofing%20copy%204%20web%20version.pdf?dl=0

This is the uncompressed version I need to send to printers and more useful
for squinting level details:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/yltj8sr6s4leetg/Evergreen%20Annual%20Report%202017%20proofing%20copy%204%20print%20version.pdf?dl=0

Aside from the changes I replied to here are my notes of my changes
(apologies for not making these for my earlier rushed edits):

cover, transparency still too close to evergreen color, upped by 7%
introduction - text awkward, kenrning tools too time consuming, tweaking
box size to make a bit more natural looking
page 5 middle column too close to left column due to lead on organizations
, moving over closer to right to create more visual centering (though it's
technically now off center)
page 5 slight rewrite on text to make it more visually balanced
page 3 shrinking columns and moving them a apart a bit to create more space
between them, eye is tracking across rather than down too easily
page 3 - big negative space is kind of distracting, putting, odd behavior
with the glyphs for the bullet points is causing issues so rebuilding,
moving longer textual list entries to bottom so that I can do something
with the title to reduce impact of negative space, I'm still not happy with
it but it looks a bit more distinct now so better, given time I'd do more
here
page 7 - caption a bit too close to image
page 7 - slight rewording to make text fit in box more naturally (proper
kerning tools are over rated anyway)
page 7 - fix justification on caption, reduce linespacing to make it less
main-texty and change to 0/0/0/80 cmyk to offset it
page 7 - move right columns over to make text more natural looking and
provide a bit of column spacing
page 8 - these columns must die.  fun fact: long words are not fun for
layout
page 9 - side bar / body text standardize to 11 pt, fix alignment and
spacing to look more natural
Evergreen's documentation is a huge asset to our community.  And when I
say huge, I'm not joking: at the time of writing, the official 3.0 manual
sprawls across 832 pages in its PDF form. It's challenging to get the right
content to the right people in such a  large document.  The Documentation
Interest Group (DIG) spent 2017 on this problem, culminating in the release
of eight new manuals, each developed for a specific audience.  Catalogers
now have a manual of their own, as do acquisitions staff, front-line
circulation staff, reference staff, serials staff, and system
administrators.  A separate manual also helps system administrators and
developers who want to integrate Evergreen with other applications.  All
manuals are available at docs.evergreen-ils.org.

And I've started the very, very first steps towards a style guide which is
to say just barely enough to make sure I don't leave it at this for the
future:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WMNObAeyCzS5GljTjga5NV8pRpvT9SLlHtQztnCOqPw/edit?usp=sharing

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Ruth Frasur <director at hagerstownlibrary.org
> wrote:

> Rogan, you're a treasure.  That is all.  And, agreed, it's better to be a
> verb than a noun, imo.  As far as the greens go, rock on.  I can see where
> there'd be love.  I can also agree that qualitative arguments (though there
> really isn't one here) should be settled via karaoke battles.  REALLY
> contentious ones might require interpretive dance.  Good thing I try to
> avoid contention whenever possible.
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 8:07 AM, Rogan Hamby <rogan.hamby at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> 1.  Font issue should be fixed now thanks to xml editing.
>> 2.  Technically not but for reasons that matter to no one.  Regardless,
>> should look better now.
>> 3.  Yeah, I wondered how that much color and brightness would look to
>> folks.  It's an experiment. I've had other feedback that it's the favorite
>> part of the report to some others.  So, I'm going to chalk that one up to a
>> contentious matter of taste and leave as is.  We can have a debate at the
>> conference where the loser has to sing karaoke if need be.  I'm also
>> starting to think that all matters of dispute that are qualitative rather
>> than quantitative should be settled via karaoke battles.
>> 4.  I'm going to spare you my rant on how text box cloning _should_ work
>> and visually center them with the common 'y' character as a vertical
>> guide.  Let me know how it look in proof 4 when I send that out (shortly).
>> 5.  Thank you.  There are some stray pixel issues but I don't think
>> they'll be noticeable to anyone at scale when printed.  I enjoy spending
>> some time when I can on those kinds of bits and pieces.
>> 6. I thought it was cooler to be a verb than noun.  (joking aside, fixed)
>> 7. Interesting note, since in the layout program you have all these
>> border markers that you need for objects it makes it really hard to
>> visually identify centers on small objects which is why some layout
>> software give you relative object alignments to show you how the
>> centers/edges align are when you select an active object.  Tragically
>> that's not available here.  Also I can't actually center it because of how
>> it does overlapping objects of that size but I can do something else that
>> will create the same effect (first line offset). Good catch, thank you.
>>
>> Nitpicking is exactly what is needed, so thank you for it.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 3:14 PM, Ruth Frasur <
>> director at hagerstownlibrary.org> wrote:
>>
>>> My comments are as follows, and with deep recognition that you've been
>>> working a LOT and this makes me feel nit picky.
>>> 1.  There seem to be a lot of fonts.  I wouldn't say it's weirdness, but
>>> a lot.  Most notably, to my mind, are the two text areas on the last page.
>>> My eye expected them to be what seems to be the standard san serif font
>>> throughout, but it's not.
>>> 2.  The logo on the back page seems like it's a little close on the left
>>> hand side.
>>> 3.  On page 9, there are essentially 6 colors ranging from green-blue to
>>> fluorescent green.  That's a lot of green.  Grant, we're Evergreen.
>>> 4.  The headers on pages 7 & 8 are off.  The text seems too close to the
>>> horizontal edge.  On pg. 8, too close to the vertical edge.
>>> 5.  The Kentucky collage on pg. 6 is awesome.
>>> 6.  On the acknowledgements page, everyone else is a proofreader but I'm
>>> proofreading.
>>> 7.  On the center teal bar on the acknowledgements page, the white text
>>> is off vertical center.
>>>
>>> Enough nit picking for me.  I didn't notice any glaring grammatical or
>>> spelling errors.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Rogan Hamby <rogan.hamby at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> OK, clearly I missed my self imposed deadline of 2 pm.  There was
>>>> enough feedback that I couldn't get it all in plus the things I noticed.
>>>> But thanks to the wonders of modern technology and mobile hotspots on
>>>> phones I've continued to plug away at it.
>>>>
>>>> All of this is relevant because with my laptop screen but without
>>>> additional monitors so it's hard to jump between all the additional windows
>>>> to track font changes and such but I _think_ I've gotten the fonts
>>>> standardized.  Another pass will be needed.  If you still see font
>>>> weirdness please don't hesitate to say something.  How Scribus handles
>>>> fonts .... well, let's just say it's not intuitive.  I have unkind
>>>> adjectives in mind but it is at least consistent so I can work around it
>>>> even if it makes absolutely no sense why it's doing it in the first place.
>>>> And I'm thinking the manual editing of the XML I did at the beginning may
>>>> be needed again.  Anyway....
>>>>
>>>> I'm still finding some small layout tweaks.  You may notice them.  I
>>>> haven't logged them as everyone else has been so kind to do.
>>>>
>>>> Uh..... I have a lot of thoughts but time is short and I don't remember
>>>> most of them.  But I think all the changes are in.  I do however want to
>>>> highlight something that has been driving me nuts and that Andrea
>>>> mentioned: kerning.
>>>>
>>>> I think some of the text flows look ... not good.  Scribus does not
>>>> have smart kerning like InDesign or Quark or ... other modern commercial
>>>> software layout tools.  For the most part Scribus has been decent but when
>>>> it fails it really fails.  We could just justify everything to both sides
>>>> like a newspaper but that would look just as bad just different.  The thing
>>>> about kerning is that it's time consuming to do manually and small text
>>>> changes can make it all mute so I'm not going to tackle it until I feel
>>>> sure text changes aren't incoming and even then I'm not sure I'll have time
>>>> to really go through it all.
>>>>
>>>> That will be tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>>  Proofing copy 3 is attached.
>>>>
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>>
>
>
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> Director of the Historic(ally Awesome) Hagerstown - Jefferson Township
> Library
> 10 W. College Street
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=10+W.+College+Street&entry=gmail&source=g> in
> Hagerstown, Indiana (47346)
> p (765) 489-5632; f (765) 489-5808
>
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> Page <http://facebook.com/hjtplibrary>,  and The Nettle Creek Players
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