[evergreen-outreach] proofing copy three

Thu Apr 12 09:07:52 EDT 2018

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On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Rogan Hamby <rogan.hamby at gmail.com> wrote:

> OK, I can't spend anymore time on this right now but here are links for
> two versions of the fourth proofing copy.  This one is similar in size to
> what you've been seeing and is the kind for "normal" reading:
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/u7bcexxdu41bps0/Evergreen%
> 20Annual%20Report%202017%20proofing%20copy%204%20web%20version.pdf?dl=0
>
> This is the uncompressed version I need to send to printers and more
> useful for squinting level details:
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/yltj8sr6s4leetg/Evergreen%
> 20Annual%20Report%202017%20proofing%20copy%204%20print%20version.pdf?dl=0
>
> Aside from the changes I replied to here are my notes of my changes
> (apologies for not making these for my earlier rushed edits):
>
> cover, transparency still too close to evergreen color, upped by 7%
> introduction - text awkward, kenrning tools too time consuming, tweaking
> box size to make a bit more natural looking
> page 5 middle column too close to left column due to lead on organizations
> , moving over closer to right to create more visual centering (though it's
> technically now off center)
> page 5 slight rewrite on text to make it more visually balanced
> page 3 shrinking columns and moving them a apart a bit to create more
> space between them, eye is tracking across rather than down too easily
> page 3 - big negative space is kind of distracting, putting, odd behavior
> with the glyphs for the bullet points is causing issues so rebuilding,
> moving longer textual list entries to bottom so that I can do something
> with the title to reduce impact of negative space, I'm still not happy with
> it but it looks a bit more distinct now so better, given time I'd do more
> here
> page 7 - caption a bit too close to image
> page 7 - slight rewording to make text fit in box more naturally (proper
> kerning tools are over rated anyway)
> page 7 - fix justification on caption, reduce linespacing to make it less
> main-texty and change to 0/0/0/80 cmyk to offset it
> page 7 - move right columns over to make text more natural looking and
> provide a bit of column spacing
> page 8 - these columns must die.  fun fact: long words are not fun for
> layout
> page 9 - side bar / body text standardize to 11 pt, fix alignment and
> spacing to look more natural
> Evergreen's documentation is a huge asset to our community.  And when I
> say huge, I'm not joking: at the time of writing, the official 3.0 manual
> sprawls across 832 pages in its PDF form. It's challenging to get the right
> content to the right people in such a  large document.  The Documentation
> Interest Group (DIG) spent 2017 on this problem, culminating in the release
> of eight new manuals, each developed for a specific audience.  Catalogers
> now have a manual of their own, as do acquisitions staff, front-line
> circulation staff, reference staff, serials staff, and system
> administrators.  A separate manual also helps system administrators and
> developers who want to integrate Evergreen with other applications.  All
> manuals are available at docs.evergreen-ils.org.
>
> And I've started the very, very first steps towards a style guide which is
> to say just barely enough to make sure I don't leave it at this for the
> future:
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WMNObAeyCzS5GljTjga5NV8pRpvT9
> SLlHtQztnCOqPw/edit?usp=sharing
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Ruth Frasur <director at hagerstownlibrary.
> org> wrote:
>
>> Rogan, you're a treasure.  That is all.  And, agreed, it's better to be a
>> verb than a noun, imo.  As far as the greens go, rock on.  I can see where
>> there'd be love.  I can also agree that qualitative arguments (though there
>> really isn't one here) should be settled via karaoke battles.  REALLY
>> contentious ones might require interpretive dance.  Good thing I try to
>> avoid contention whenever possible.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 8:07 AM, Rogan Hamby <rogan.hamby at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 1.  Font issue should be fixed now thanks to xml editing.
>>> 2.  Technically not but for reasons that matter to no one.  Regardless,
>>> should look better now.
>>> 3.  Yeah, I wondered how that much color and brightness would look to
>>> folks.  It's an experiment. I've had other feedback that it's the favorite
>>> part of the report to some others.  So, I'm going to chalk that one up to a
>>> contentious matter of taste and leave as is.  We can have a debate at the
>>> conference where the loser has to sing karaoke if need be.  I'm also
>>> starting to think that all matters of dispute that are qualitative rather
>>> than quantitative should be settled via karaoke battles.
>>> 4.  I'm going to spare you my rant on how text box cloning _should_ work
>>> and visually center them with the common 'y' character as a vertical
>>> guide.  Let me know how it look in proof 4 when I send that out (shortly).
>>> 5.  Thank you.  There are some stray pixel issues but I don't think
>>> they'll be noticeable to anyone at scale when printed.  I enjoy spending
>>> some time when I can on those kinds of bits and pieces.
>>> 6. I thought it was cooler to be a verb than noun.  (joking aside, fixed)
>>> 7. Interesting note, since in the layout program you have all these
>>> border markers that you need for objects it makes it really hard to
>>> visually identify centers on small objects which is why some layout
>>> software give you relative object alignments to show you how the
>>> centers/edges align are when you select an active object.  Tragically
>>> that's not available here.  Also I can't actually center it because of how
>>> it does overlapping objects of that size but I can do something else that
>>> will create the same effect (first line offset). Good catch, thank you.
>>>
>>> Nitpicking is exactly what is needed, so thank you for it.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 3:14 PM, Ruth Frasur <
>>> director at hagerstownlibrary.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My comments are as follows, and with deep recognition that you've been
>>>> working a LOT and this makes me feel nit picky.
>>>> 1.  There seem to be a lot of fonts.  I wouldn't say it's weirdness,
>>>> but a lot.  Most notably, to my mind, are the two text areas on the last
>>>> page.  My eye expected them to be what seems to be the standard san serif
>>>> font throughout, but it's not.
>>>> 2.  The logo on the back page seems like it's a little close on the
>>>> left hand side.
>>>> 3.  On page 9, there are essentially 6 colors ranging from green-blue
>>>> to fluorescent green.  That's a lot of green.  Grant, we're Evergreen.
>>>> 4.  The headers on pages 7 & 8 are off.  The text seems too close to
>>>> the horizontal edge.  On pg. 8, too close to the vertical edge.
>>>> 5.  The Kentucky collage on pg. 6 is awesome.
>>>> 6.  On the acknowledgements page, everyone else is a proofreader but
>>>> I'm proofreading.
>>>> 7.  On the center teal bar on the acknowledgements page, the white text
>>>> is off vertical center.
>>>>
>>>> Enough nit picking for me.  I didn't notice any glaring grammatical or
>>>> spelling errors.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Rogan Hamby <rogan.hamby at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> OK, clearly I missed my self imposed deadline of 2 pm.  There was
>>>>> enough feedback that I couldn't get it all in plus the things I noticed.
>>>>> But thanks to the wonders of modern technology and mobile hotspots on
>>>>> phones I've continued to plug away at it.
>>>>>
>>>>> All of this is relevant because with my laptop screen but without
>>>>> additional monitors so it's hard to jump between all the additional windows
>>>>> to track font changes and such but I _think_ I've gotten the fonts
>>>>> standardized.  Another pass will be needed.  If you still see font
>>>>> weirdness please don't hesitate to say something.  How Scribus handles
>>>>> fonts .... well, let's just say it's not intuitive.  I have unkind
>>>>> adjectives in mind but it is at least consistent so I can work around it
>>>>> even if it makes absolutely no sense why it's doing it in the first place.
>>>>> And I'm thinking the manual editing of the XML I did at the beginning may
>>>>> be needed again.  Anyway....
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm still finding some small layout tweaks.  You may notice them.  I
>>>>> haven't logged them as everyone else has been so kind to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Uh..... I have a lot of thoughts but time is short and I don't
>>>>> remember most of them.  But I think all the changes are in.  I do however
>>>>> want to highlight something that has been driving me nuts and that Andrea
>>>>> mentioned: kerning.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think some of the text flows look ... not good.  Scribus does not
>>>>> have smart kerning like InDesign or Quark or ... other modern commercial
>>>>> software layout tools.  For the most part Scribus has been decent but when
>>>>> it fails it really fails.  We could just justify everything to both sides
>>>>> like a newspaper but that would look just as bad just different.  The thing
>>>>> about kerning is that it's time consuming to do manually and small text
>>>>> changes can make it all mute so I'm not going to tackle it until I feel
>>>>> sure text changes aren't incoming and even then I'm not sure I'll have time
>>>>> to really go through it all.
>>>>>
>>>>> That will be tomorrow.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Proofing copy 3 is attached.
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Director of the Historic(ally Awesome) Hagerstown - Jefferson Township
>>>> Library
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ruth Frasur
>> Director of the Historic(ally Awesome) Hagerstown - Jefferson Township
>> Library
>> 10 W. College Street
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=10+W.+College+Street&entry=gmail&source=g>
>> in Hagerstown, Indiana (47346)
>> p (765) 489-5632; f (765) 489-5808
>>
>> *Our Kickin' Website <http://hagerstownlibrary.org>,  Our Rockin'
>> Facebook Page <http://facebook.com/hjtplibrary>,  and The Nettle Creek
>> Players <http://nettlecreekplayers.com>*
>>
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