[evergreen-outreach] proofing copy three

Thu Apr 12 09:20:44 EDT 2018

Fixed.  That's another page I wish I had more time to spend on sprucing up.

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 9:07 AM, Rogan Hamby <rogan.hamby at gmail.com> wrote:

> .... and the new text box didn't save on the doc page ... one second...
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> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Rogan Hamby <rogan.hamby at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> OK, I can't spend anymore time on this right now but here are links for
>> two versions of the fourth proofing copy.  This one is similar in size to
>> what you've been seeing and is the kind for "normal" reading:
>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/u7bcexxdu41bps0/Evergreen%20Annual
>> %20Report%202017%20proofing%20copy%204%20web%20version.pdf?dl=0
>>
>> This is the uncompressed version I need to send to printers and more
>> useful for squinting level details:
>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/yltj8sr6s4leetg/Evergreen%20Annual
>> %20Report%202017%20proofing%20copy%204%20print%20version.pdf?dl=0
>>
>> Aside from the changes I replied to here are my notes of my changes
>> (apologies for not making these for my earlier rushed edits):
>>
>> cover, transparency still too close to evergreen color, upped by 7%
>> introduction - text awkward, kenrning tools too time consuming, tweaking
>> box size to make a bit more natural looking
>> page 5 middle column too close to left column due to lead on
>> organizations , moving over closer to right to create more visual centering
>> (though it's technically now off center)
>> page 5 slight rewrite on text to make it more visually balanced
>> page 3 shrinking columns and moving them a apart a bit to create more
>> space between them, eye is tracking across rather than down too easily
>> page 3 - big negative space is kind of distracting, putting, odd behavior
>> with the glyphs for the bullet points is causing issues so rebuilding,
>> moving longer textual list entries to bottom so that I can do something
>> with the title to reduce impact of negative space, I'm still not happy with
>> it but it looks a bit more distinct now so better, given time I'd do more
>> here
>> page 7 - caption a bit too close to image
>> page 7 - slight rewording to make text fit in box more naturally (proper
>> kerning tools are over rated anyway)
>> page 7 - fix justification on caption, reduce linespacing to make it less
>> main-texty and change to 0/0/0/80 cmyk to offset it
>> page 7 - move right columns over to make text more natural looking and
>> provide a bit of column spacing
>> page 8 - these columns must die.  fun fact: long words are not fun for
>> layout
>> page 9 - side bar / body text standardize to 11 pt, fix alignment and
>> spacing to look more natural
>> Evergreen's documentation is a huge asset to our community.  And when I
>> say huge, I'm not joking: at the time of writing, the official 3.0 manual
>> sprawls across 832 pages in its PDF form. It's challenging to get the right
>> content to the right people in such a  large document.  The Documentation
>> Interest Group (DIG) spent 2017 on this problem, culminating in the release
>> of eight new manuals, each developed for a specific audience.  Catalogers
>> now have a manual of their own, as do acquisitions staff, front-line
>> circulation staff, reference staff, serials staff, and system
>> administrators.  A separate manual also helps system administrators and
>> developers who want to integrate Evergreen with other applications.  All
>> manuals are available at docs.evergreen-ils.org.
>>
>> And I've started the very, very first steps towards a style guide which
>> is to say just barely enough to make sure I don't leave it at this for the
>> future:
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WMNObAeyCzS5GljTjga5NV8p
>> RpvT9SLlHtQztnCOqPw/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Ruth Frasur <
>> director at hagerstownlibrary.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Rogan, you're a treasure.  That is all.  And, agreed, it's better to be
>>> a verb than a noun, imo.  As far as the greens go, rock on.  I can see
>>> where there'd be love.  I can also agree that qualitative arguments (though
>>> there really isn't one here) should be settled via karaoke battles.  REALLY
>>> contentious ones might require interpretive dance.  Good thing I try to
>>> avoid contention whenever possible.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 8:07 AM, Rogan Hamby <rogan.hamby at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 1.  Font issue should be fixed now thanks to xml editing.
>>>> 2.  Technically not but for reasons that matter to no one.  Regardless,
>>>> should look better now.
>>>> 3.  Yeah, I wondered how that much color and brightness would look to
>>>> folks.  It's an experiment. I've had other feedback that it's the favorite
>>>> part of the report to some others.  So, I'm going to chalk that one up to a
>>>> contentious matter of taste and leave as is.  We can have a debate at the
>>>> conference where the loser has to sing karaoke if need be.  I'm also
>>>> starting to think that all matters of dispute that are qualitative rather
>>>> than quantitative should be settled via karaoke battles.
>>>> 4.  I'm going to spare you my rant on how text box cloning _should_
>>>> work and visually center them with the common 'y' character as a vertical
>>>> guide.  Let me know how it look in proof 4 when I send that out (shortly).
>>>> 5.  Thank you.  There are some stray pixel issues but I don't think
>>>> they'll be noticeable to anyone at scale when printed.  I enjoy spending
>>>> some time when I can on those kinds of bits and pieces.
>>>> 6. I thought it was cooler to be a verb than noun.  (joking aside,
>>>> fixed)
>>>> 7. Interesting note, since in the layout program you have all these
>>>> border markers that you need for objects it makes it really hard to
>>>> visually identify centers on small objects which is why some layout
>>>> software give you relative object alignments to show you how the
>>>> centers/edges align are when you select an active object.  Tragically
>>>> that's not available here.  Also I can't actually center it because of how
>>>> it does overlapping objects of that size but I can do something else that
>>>> will create the same effect (first line offset). Good catch, thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Nitpicking is exactly what is needed, so thank you for it.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 3:14 PM, Ruth Frasur <
>>>> director at hagerstownlibrary.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My comments are as follows, and with deep recognition that you've been
>>>>> working a LOT and this makes me feel nit picky.
>>>>> 1.  There seem to be a lot of fonts.  I wouldn't say it's weirdness,
>>>>> but a lot.  Most notably, to my mind, are the two text areas on the last
>>>>> page.  My eye expected them to be what seems to be the standard san serif
>>>>> font throughout, but it's not.
>>>>> 2.  The logo on the back page seems like it's a little close on the
>>>>> left hand side.
>>>>> 3.  On page 9, there are essentially 6 colors ranging from green-blue
>>>>> to fluorescent green.  That's a lot of green.  Grant, we're Evergreen.
>>>>> 4.  The headers on pages 7 & 8 are off.  The text seems too close to
>>>>> the horizontal edge.  On pg. 8, too close to the vertical edge.
>>>>> 5.  The Kentucky collage on pg. 6 is awesome.
>>>>> 6.  On the acknowledgements page, everyone else is a proofreader but
>>>>> I'm proofreading.
>>>>> 7.  On the center teal bar on the acknowledgements page, the white
>>>>> text is off vertical center.
>>>>>
>>>>> Enough nit picking for me.  I didn't notice any glaring grammatical or
>>>>> spelling errors.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Rogan Hamby <rogan.hamby at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, clearly I missed my self imposed deadline of 2 pm.  There was
>>>>>> enough feedback that I couldn't get it all in plus the things I noticed.
>>>>>> But thanks to the wonders of modern technology and mobile hotspots on
>>>>>> phones I've continued to plug away at it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All of this is relevant because with my laptop screen but without
>>>>>> additional monitors so it's hard to jump between all the additional windows
>>>>>> to track font changes and such but I _think_ I've gotten the fonts
>>>>>> standardized.  Another pass will be needed.  If you still see font
>>>>>> weirdness please don't hesitate to say something.  How Scribus handles
>>>>>> fonts .... well, let's just say it's not intuitive.  I have unkind
>>>>>> adjectives in mind but it is at least consistent so I can work around it
>>>>>> even if it makes absolutely no sense why it's doing it in the first place.
>>>>>> And I'm thinking the manual editing of the XML I did at the beginning may
>>>>>> be needed again.  Anyway....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm still finding some small layout tweaks.  You may notice them.  I
>>>>>> haven't logged them as everyone else has been so kind to do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Uh..... I have a lot of thoughts but time is short and I don't
>>>>>> remember most of them.  But I think all the changes are in.  I do however
>>>>>> want to highlight something that has been driving me nuts and that Andrea
>>>>>> mentioned: kerning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think some of the text flows look ... not good.  Scribus does not
>>>>>> have smart kerning like InDesign or Quark or ... other modern commercial
>>>>>> software layout tools.  For the most part Scribus has been decent but when
>>>>>> it fails it really fails.  We could just justify everything to both sides
>>>>>> like a newspaper but that would look just as bad just different.  The thing
>>>>>> about kerning is that it's time consuming to do manually and small text
>>>>>> changes can make it all mute so I'm not going to tackle it until I feel
>>>>>> sure text changes aren't incoming and even then I'm not sure I'll have time
>>>>>> to really go through it all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That will be tomorrow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Proofing copy 3 is attached.
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Ruth Frasur
>>>>> Director of the Historic(ally Awesome) Hagerstown - Jefferson Township
>>>>> Library
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ruth Frasur
>>> Director of the Historic(ally Awesome) Hagerstown - Jefferson Township
>>> Library
>>> 10 W. College Street
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=10+W.+College+Street&entry=gmail&source=g>
>>> in Hagerstown, Indiana (47346)
>>> p (765) 489-5632; f (765) 489-5808
>>>
>>> *Our Kickin' Website <http://hagerstownlibrary.org>,  Our Rockin'
>>> Facebook Page <http://facebook.com/hjtplibrary>,  and The Nettle Creek
>>> Players <http://nettlecreekplayers.com>*
>>>
>>
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