[evergreen-outreach] proofing copy three
Kathy Lussier
klussier at masslnc.org
Fri Apr 13 08:54:25 EDT 2018
Hi all,
I've done a final read-through of the annual report, and with the
exception of a minor change to the map that Rogan has already made, it
all looks good. Does anyone else want to take a look before I hand it
over to the printer?
You've got about an hour to speak up before I send it along.
Kathy
On 04/12/2018 09:47 AM, Ruth Frasur wrote:
> Honestly? I'm really happy that others like the "greens." If it
> grabs the attention of people, that's pretty much the point. I'll
> save my aesthetic battles for paint swatches in the home ;-) And
> signs on the Library door, but that's a completely different matter.
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 9:43 AM, Kathy Lussier <klussier at masslnc.org
> <mailto:klussier at masslnc.org>> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>> 3. Yeah, I wondered how that much color and brightness would
>> look to folks. It's an experiment. I've had other feedback that
>> it's the favorite part of the report to some others. So, I'm
>> going to chalk that one up to a contentious matter of taste and
>> leave as is. We can have a debate at the conference where the
>> loser has to sing karaoke if need be. I'm also starting to think
>> that all matters of dispute that are qualitative rather than
>> quantitative should be settled via karaoke battles.
> I'll admit to being the person who said they really like that page
> and am happy to engage in debate. But I will NOT agree to doing
> karaoke if I lose. I think we've done our bit to get out of
> singing karaoke for this conference.
>
> Kathy
>
>
> On 04/12/2018 08:07 AM, Rogan Hamby wrote:
>> 1. Font issue should be fixed now thanks to xml editing.
>> 2. Technically not but for reasons that matter to no one.
>> Regardless, should look better now.
>> 3. Yeah, I wondered how that much color and brightness would
>> look to folks. It's an experiment. I've had other feedback that
>> it's the favorite part of the report to some others. So, I'm
>> going to chalk that one up to a contentious matter of taste and
>> leave as is. We can have a debate at the conference where the
>> loser has to sing karaoke if need be. I'm also starting to think
>> that all matters of dispute that are qualitative rather than
>> quantitative should be settled via karaoke battles.
>> 4. I'm going to spare you my rant on how text box cloning
>> _should_ work and visually center them with the common 'y'
>> character as a vertical guide. Let me know how it look in proof
>> 4 when I send that out (shortly).
>> 5. Thank you. There are some stray pixel issues but I don't
>> think they'll be noticeable to anyone at scale when printed. I
>> enjoy spending some time when I can on those kinds of bits and
>> pieces.
>> 6. I thought it was cooler to be a verb than noun. (joking
>> aside, fixed)
>> 7. Interesting note, since in the layout program you have all
>> these border markers that you need for objects it makes it really
>> hard to visually identify centers on small objects which is why
>> some layout software give you relative object alignments to show
>> you how the centers/edges align are when you select an active
>> object. Tragically that's not available here. Also I can't
>> actually center it because of how it does overlapping objects of
>> that size but I can do something else that will create the same
>> effect (first line offset). Good catch, thank you.
>>
>> Nitpicking is exactly what is needed, so thank you for it.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 3:14 PM, Ruth Frasur
>> <director at hagerstownlibrary.org
>> <mailto:director at hagerstownlibrary.org>> wrote:
>>
>> My comments are as follows, and with deep recognition that
>> you've been working a LOT and this makes me feel nit picky.
>> 1. There seem to be a lot of fonts. I wouldn't say it's
>> weirdness, but a lot. Most notably, to my mind, are the two
>> text areas on the last page. My eye expected them to be what
>> seems to be the standard san serif font throughout, but it's
>> not.
>> 2. The logo on the back page seems like it's a little close
>> on the left hand side.
>> 3. On page 9, there are essentially 6 colors ranging from
>> green-blue to fluorescent green. That's a lot of green.
>> Grant, we're Evergreen.
>> 4. The headers on pages 7 & 8 are off. The text seems too
>> close to the horizontal edge. On pg. 8, too close to the
>> vertical edge.
>> 5. The Kentucky collage on pg. 6 is awesome.
>> 6. On the acknowledgements page, everyone else is a
>> proofreader but I'm proofreading.
>> 7. On the center teal bar on the acknowledgements page, the
>> white text is off vertical center.
>>
>> Enough nit picking for me. I didn't notice any glaring
>> grammatical or spelling errors.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Rogan Hamby
>> <rogan.hamby at gmail.com <mailto:rogan.hamby at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> OK, clearly I missed my self imposed deadline of 2 pm.
>> There was enough feedback that I couldn't get it all in
>> plus the things I noticed. But thanks to the wonders of
>> modern technology and mobile hotspots on phones I've
>> continued to plug away at it.
>>
>> All of this is relevant because with my laptop screen but
>> without additional monitors so it's hard to jump between
>> all the additional windows to track font changes and such
>> but I _think_ I've gotten the fonts standardized.
>> Another pass will be needed. If you still see font
>> weirdness please don't hesitate to say something. How
>> Scribus handles fonts .... well, let's just say it's not
>> intuitive. I have unkind adjectives in mind but it is at
>> least consistent so I can work around it even if it makes
>> absolutely no sense why it's doing it in the first place.
>> And I'm thinking the manual editing of the XML I did at
>> the beginning may be needed again. Anyway....
>>
>> I'm still finding some small layout tweaks. You may
>> notice them. I haven't logged them as everyone else has
>> been so kind to do.
>>
>> Uh..... I have a lot of thoughts but time is short and I
>> don't remember most of them. But I think all the changes
>> are in. I do however want to highlight something that
>> has been driving me nuts and that Andrea mentioned: kerning.
>>
>> I think some of the text flows look ... not good. Scribus
>> does not have smart kerning like InDesign or Quark or ...
>> other modern commercial software layout tools. For the
>> most part Scribus has been decent but when it fails it
>> really fails. We could just justify everything to both
>> sides like a newspaper but that would look just as bad
>> just different. The thing about kerning is that it's
>> time consuming to do manually and small text changes can
>> make it all mute so I'm not going to tackle it until I
>> feel sure text changes aren't incoming and even then I'm
>> not sure I'll have time to really go through it all.
>>
>> That will be tomorrow.
>>
>> Proofing copy 3 is attached.
>>
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> p (765) 489-5632; f (765) 489-5808
>
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> Facebook Page <http://facebook.com/hjtplibrary>, and The Nettle Creek
> Players <http://nettlecreekplayers.com>*
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Kathy Lussier
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(508) 343-0128
klussier at masslnc.org
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