[evergreen-outreach] proofing copy three
Kathy Lussier
klussier at masslnc.org
Fri Apr 13 10:50:17 EDT 2018
The file has been delivered to the printer. Many thanks to everyone,
especially Rogan, who made this report happen! Rogan, I hope you pour a
drink for yourself tonight in celebration!
Kathy
On 04/13/2018 08:54 AM, Kathy Lussier wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I've done a final read-through of the annual report, and with the
> exception of a minor change to the map that Rogan has already made, it
> all looks good. Does anyone else want to take a look before I hand it
> over to the printer?
>
> You've got about an hour to speak up before I send it along.
>
> Kathy
>
>
> On 04/12/2018 09:47 AM, Ruth Frasur wrote:
>> Honestly? I'm really happy that others like the "greens." If it
>> grabs the attention of people, that's pretty much the point. I'll
>> save my aesthetic battles for paint swatches in the home ;-) And
>> signs on the Library door, but that's a completely different matter.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 9:43 AM, Kathy Lussier <klussier at masslnc.org
>> <mailto:klussier at masslnc.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>> 3. Yeah, I wondered how that much color and brightness would
>>> look to folks. It's an experiment. I've had other feedback that
>>> it's the favorite part of the report to some others. So, I'm
>>> going to chalk that one up to a contentious matter of taste and
>>> leave as is. We can have a debate at the conference where the
>>> loser has to sing karaoke if need be. I'm also starting to
>>> think that all matters of dispute that are qualitative rather
>>> than quantitative should be settled via karaoke battles.
>> I'll admit to being the person who said they really like that
>> page and am happy to engage in debate. But I will NOT agree to
>> doing karaoke if I lose. I think we've done our bit to get out of
>> singing karaoke for this conference.
>>
>> Kathy
>>
>>
>> On 04/12/2018 08:07 AM, Rogan Hamby wrote:
>>> 1. Font issue should be fixed now thanks to xml editing.
>>> 2. Technically not but for reasons that matter to no one.
>>> Regardless, should look better now.
>>> 3. Yeah, I wondered how that much color and brightness would
>>> look to folks. It's an experiment. I've had other feedback that
>>> it's the favorite part of the report to some others. So, I'm
>>> going to chalk that one up to a contentious matter of taste and
>>> leave as is. We can have a debate at the conference where the
>>> loser has to sing karaoke if need be. I'm also starting to
>>> think that all matters of dispute that are qualitative rather
>>> than quantitative should be settled via karaoke battles.
>>> 4. I'm going to spare you my rant on how text box cloning
>>> _should_ work and visually center them with the common 'y'
>>> character as a vertical guide. Let me know how it look in proof
>>> 4 when I send that out (shortly).
>>> 5. Thank you. There are some stray pixel issues but I don't
>>> think they'll be noticeable to anyone at scale when printed. I
>>> enjoy spending some time when I can on those kinds of bits and
>>> pieces.
>>> 6. I thought it was cooler to be a verb than noun. (joking
>>> aside, fixed)
>>> 7. Interesting note, since in the layout program you have all
>>> these border markers that you need for objects it makes it
>>> really hard to visually identify centers on small objects which
>>> is why some layout software give you relative object alignments
>>> to show you how the centers/edges align are when you select an
>>> active object. Tragically that's not available here. Also I
>>> can't actually center it because of how it does overlapping
>>> objects of that size but I can do something else that will
>>> create the same effect (first line offset). Good catch, thank you.
>>>
>>> Nitpicking is exactly what is needed, so thank you for it.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 3:14 PM, Ruth Frasur
>>> <director at hagerstownlibrary.org
>>> <mailto:director at hagerstownlibrary.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> My comments are as follows, and with deep recognition that
>>> you've been working a LOT and this makes me feel nit picky.
>>> 1. There seem to be a lot of fonts. I wouldn't say it's
>>> weirdness, but a lot. Most notably, to my mind, are the two
>>> text areas on the last page. My eye expected them to be
>>> what seems to be the standard san serif font throughout, but
>>> it's not.
>>> 2. The logo on the back page seems like it's a little close
>>> on the left hand side.
>>> 3. On page 9, there are essentially 6 colors ranging from
>>> green-blue to fluorescent green. That's a lot of green.
>>> Grant, we're Evergreen.
>>> 4. The headers on pages 7 & 8 are off. The text seems too
>>> close to the horizontal edge. On pg. 8, too close to the
>>> vertical edge.
>>> 5. The Kentucky collage on pg. 6 is awesome.
>>> 6. On the acknowledgements page, everyone else is a
>>> proofreader but I'm proofreading.
>>> 7. On the center teal bar on the acknowledgements page, the
>>> white text is off vertical center.
>>>
>>> Enough nit picking for me. I didn't notice any glaring
>>> grammatical or spelling errors.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Rogan Hamby
>>> <rogan.hamby at gmail.com <mailto:rogan.hamby at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> OK, clearly I missed my self imposed deadline of 2 pm.
>>> There was enough feedback that I couldn't get it all in
>>> plus the things I noticed. But thanks to the wonders of
>>> modern technology and mobile hotspots on phones I've
>>> continued to plug away at it.
>>>
>>> All of this is relevant because with my laptop screen
>>> but without additional monitors so it's hard to jump
>>> between all the additional windows to track font changes
>>> and such but I _think_ I've gotten the fonts
>>> standardized. Another pass will be needed. If you
>>> still see font weirdness please don't hesitate to say
>>> something. How Scribus handles fonts .... well, let's
>>> just say it's not intuitive. I have unkind adjectives in
>>> mind but it is at least consistent so I can work around
>>> it even if it makes absolutely no sense why it's doing
>>> it in the first place. And I'm thinking the manual
>>> editing of the XML I did at the beginning may be needed
>>> again. Anyway....
>>>
>>> I'm still finding some small layout tweaks. You may
>>> notice them. I haven't logged them as everyone else has
>>> been so kind to do.
>>>
>>> Uh..... I have a lot of thoughts but time is short and I
>>> don't remember most of them. But I think all the
>>> changes are in. I do however want to highlight
>>> something that has been driving me nuts and that Andrea
>>> mentioned: kerning.
>>>
>>> I think some of the text flows look ... not good.
>>> Scribus does not have smart kerning like InDesign or
>>> Quark or ... other modern commercial software layout
>>> tools. For the most part Scribus has been decent but
>>> when it fails it really fails. We could just justify
>>> everything to both sides like a newspaper but that would
>>> look just as bad just different. The thing about
>>> kerning is that it's time consuming to do manually and
>>> small text changes can make it all mute so I'm not going
>>> to tackle it until I feel sure text changes aren't
>>> incoming and even then I'm not sure I'll have time to
>>> really go through it all.
>>>
>>> That will be tomorrow.
>>>
>>> Proofing copy 3 is attached.
>>>
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>>> Ruth Frasur
>>> Director of the Historic(ally Awesome) Hagerstown -
>>> Jefferson Township Library
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>> Kathy Lussier
>> Project Coordinator
>> Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative
>> (508) 343-0128
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>> Ruth Frasur
>> Director of the Historic(ally Awesome) Hagerstown - Jefferson
>> Township Library
>> 10 W. College Street in Hagerstown, Indiana (47346)
>> p (765) 489-5632; f (765) 489-5808
>>
>> *Our Kickin' Website <http://hagerstownlibrary.org>, Our Rockin'
>> Facebook Page <http://facebook.com/hjtplibrary>, and The Nettle
>> Creek Players <http://nettlecreekplayers.com>*
>
> --
> Kathy Lussier
> Project Coordinator
> Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative
> (508) 343-0128
> klussier at masslnc.org
> Twitter:http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier
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Kathy Lussier
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(508) 343-0128
klussier at masslnc.org
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