[evergreen-outreach] proofing copy three

Kathy Lussier klussier at masslnc.org
Fri Apr 13 10:50:17 EDT 2018


The file has been delivered to the printer. Many thanks to everyone, 
especially Rogan, who made this report happen! Rogan, I hope you pour a 
drink for yourself tonight in celebration!

Kathy


On 04/13/2018 08:54 AM, Kathy Lussier wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I've done a final read-through of the annual report, and with the 
> exception of a minor change to the map that Rogan has already made, it 
> all looks good. Does anyone else want to take a look before I hand it 
> over to the printer?
>
> You've got about an hour to speak up before I send it along.
>
> Kathy
>
>
> On 04/12/2018 09:47 AM, Ruth Frasur wrote:
>> Honestly?  I'm really happy that others like the "greens."  If it 
>> grabs the attention of people, that's pretty much the point.  I'll 
>> save my aesthetic battles for paint swatches in the home ;-)  And 
>> signs on the Library door, but that's a completely different matter.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 9:43 AM, Kathy Lussier <klussier at masslnc.org 
>> <mailto:klussier at masslnc.org>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi,
>>
>>>     3.  Yeah, I wondered how that much color and brightness would
>>>     look to folks.  It's an experiment. I've had other feedback that
>>>     it's the favorite part of the report to some others.  So, I'm
>>>     going to chalk that one up to a contentious matter of taste and
>>>     leave as is.  We can have a debate at the conference where the
>>>     loser has to sing karaoke if need be.  I'm also starting to
>>>     think that all matters of dispute that are qualitative rather
>>>     than quantitative should be settled via karaoke battles. 
>>     I'll admit to being the person who said they really like that
>>     page and am happy to engage in debate. But I will NOT agree to
>>     doing karaoke if I lose. I think we've done our bit to get out of
>>     singing karaoke for this conference.
>>
>>     Kathy
>>
>>
>>     On 04/12/2018 08:07 AM, Rogan Hamby wrote:
>>>     1.  Font issue should be fixed now thanks to xml editing.
>>>     2.  Technically not but for reasons that matter to no one. 
>>>     Regardless, should look better now.
>>>     3.  Yeah, I wondered how that much color and brightness would
>>>     look to folks.  It's an experiment. I've had other feedback that
>>>     it's the favorite part of the report to some others.  So, I'm
>>>     going to chalk that one up to a contentious matter of taste and
>>>     leave as is.  We can have a debate at the conference where the
>>>     loser has to sing karaoke if need be.  I'm also starting to
>>>     think that all matters of dispute that are qualitative rather
>>>     than quantitative should be settled via karaoke battles.
>>>     4.  I'm going to spare you my rant on how text box cloning
>>>     _should_ work and visually center them with the common 'y'
>>>     character as a vertical guide.  Let me know how it look in proof
>>>     4 when I send that out (shortly).
>>>     5.  Thank you.  There are some stray pixel issues but I don't
>>>     think they'll be noticeable to anyone at scale when printed.  I
>>>     enjoy spending some time when I can on those kinds of bits and
>>>     pieces.
>>>     6. I thought it was cooler to be a verb than noun.  (joking
>>>     aside, fixed)
>>>     7. Interesting note, since in the layout program you have all
>>>     these border markers that you need for objects it makes it
>>>     really hard to visually identify centers on small objects which
>>>     is why some layout software give you relative object alignments
>>>     to show you how the centers/edges align are when you select an
>>>     active object.  Tragically that's not available here.  Also I
>>>     can't actually center it because of how it does overlapping
>>>     objects of that size but I can do something else that will
>>>     create the same effect (first line offset). Good catch, thank you.
>>>
>>>     Nitpicking is exactly what is needed, so thank you for it.
>>>
>>>     On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 3:14 PM, Ruth Frasur
>>>     <director at hagerstownlibrary.org
>>>     <mailto:director at hagerstownlibrary.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         My comments are as follows, and with deep recognition that
>>>         you've been working a LOT and this makes me feel nit picky.
>>>         1.  There seem to be a lot of fonts. I wouldn't say it's
>>>         weirdness, but a lot.  Most notably, to my mind, are the two
>>>         text areas on the last page.  My eye expected them to be
>>>         what seems to be the standard san serif font throughout, but
>>>         it's not.
>>>         2.  The logo on the back page seems like it's a little close
>>>         on the left hand side.
>>>         3.  On page 9, there are essentially 6 colors ranging from
>>>         green-blue to fluorescent green.  That's a lot of green. 
>>>         Grant, we're Evergreen.
>>>         4.  The headers on pages 7 & 8 are off.  The text seems too
>>>         close to the horizontal edge.  On pg. 8, too close to the
>>>         vertical edge.
>>>         5.  The Kentucky collage on pg. 6 is awesome.
>>>         6.  On the acknowledgements page, everyone else is a
>>>         proofreader but I'm proofreading.
>>>         7.  On the center teal bar on the acknowledgements page, the
>>>         white text is off vertical center.
>>>
>>>         Enough nit picking for me.  I didn't notice any glaring
>>>         grammatical or spelling errors.
>>>
>>>         On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Rogan Hamby
>>>         <rogan.hamby at gmail.com <mailto:rogan.hamby at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             OK, clearly I missed my self imposed deadline of 2 pm. 
>>>             There was enough feedback that I couldn't get it all in
>>>             plus the things I noticed.  But thanks to the wonders of
>>>             modern technology and mobile hotspots on phones I've
>>>             continued to plug away at it.
>>>
>>>             All of this is relevant because with my laptop screen
>>>             but without additional monitors so it's hard to jump
>>>             between all the additional windows to track font changes
>>>             and such but I _think_ I've gotten the fonts
>>>             standardized.  Another pass will be needed.  If you
>>>             still see font weirdness please don't hesitate to say
>>>             something.  How Scribus handles fonts .... well, let's
>>>             just say it's not intuitive. I have unkind adjectives in
>>>             mind but it is at least consistent so I can work around
>>>             it even if it makes absolutely no sense why it's doing
>>>             it in the first place. And I'm thinking the manual
>>>             editing of the XML I did at the beginning may be needed
>>>             again.  Anyway....
>>>
>>>             I'm still finding some small layout tweaks.  You may
>>>             notice them.  I haven't logged them as everyone else has
>>>             been so kind to do.
>>>
>>>             Uh..... I have a lot of thoughts but time is short and I
>>>             don't remember most of them.  But I think all the
>>>             changes are in.  I do however want to highlight
>>>             something that has been driving me nuts and that Andrea
>>>             mentioned: kerning.
>>>
>>>             I think some of the text flows look ... not good.
>>>             Scribus does not have smart kerning like InDesign or
>>>             Quark or ... other modern commercial software layout
>>>             tools.  For the most part Scribus has been decent but
>>>             when it fails it really fails.  We could just justify
>>>             everything to both sides like a newspaper but that would
>>>             look just as bad just different.  The thing about
>>>             kerning is that it's time consuming to do manually and
>>>             small text changes can make it all mute so I'm not going
>>>             to tackle it until I feel sure text changes aren't
>>>             incoming and even then I'm not sure I'll have time to
>>>             really go through it all.
>>>
>>>             That will be tomorrow.
>>>
>>>              Proofing copy 3 is attached.
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>         -- 
>>>         Ruth Frasur
>>>         Director of the Historic(ally Awesome) Hagerstown -
>>>         Jefferson Township Library
>>>         10 W. College Street
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>>>         in Hagerstown, Indiana (47346)
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>>     -- 
>>     Kathy Lussier
>>     Project Coordinator
>>     Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative
>>     (508) 343-0128
>>     klussier at masslnc.org <mailto:klussier at masslnc.org>
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>> -- 
>> Ruth Frasur
>> Director of the Historic(ally Awesome) Hagerstown - Jefferson 
>> Township Library
>> 10 W. College Street in Hagerstown, Indiana (47346)
>> p (765) 489-5632; f (765) 489-5808
>>
>> *Our Kickin' Website <http://hagerstownlibrary.org>, Our Rockin' 
>> Facebook Page <http://facebook.com/hjtplibrary>,  and The Nettle 
>> Creek Players <http://nettlecreekplayers.com>*
>
> -- 
> Kathy Lussier
> Project Coordinator
> Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative
> (508) 343-0128
> klussier at masslnc.org
> Twitter:http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier
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Kathy Lussier
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Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative
(508) 343-0128
klussier at masslnc.org
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