[evergreen-outreach] proofing copy three

Fri Apr 13 11:14:33 EDT 2018

I think I'm scheduled for ramen and I'm on driver duty but perhaps at home
afterwards.  :)

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 10:50 AM, Kathy Lussier <klussier at masslnc.org>
wrote:

> The file has been delivered to the printer. Many thanks to everyone,
> especially Rogan, who made this report happen! Rogan, I hope you pour a
> drink for yourself tonight in celebration!
>
> Kathy
>
> On 04/13/2018 08:54 AM, Kathy Lussier wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I've done a final read-through of the annual report, and with the
> exception of a minor change to the map that Rogan has already made, it all
> looks good. Does anyone else want to take a look before I hand it over to
> the printer?
>
> You've got about an hour to speak up before I send it along.
>
> Kathy
>
> On 04/12/2018 09:47 AM, Ruth Frasur wrote:
>
> Honestly?  I'm really happy that others like the "greens."  If it grabs
> the attention of people, that's pretty much the point.  I'll save my
> aesthetic battles for paint swatches in the home ;-)  And signs on the
> Library door, but that's a completely different matter.
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 9:43 AM, Kathy Lussier <klussier at masslnc.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> 3.  Yeah, I wondered how that much color and brightness would look to
>> folks.  It's an experiment. I've had other feedback that it's the favorite
>> part of the report to some others.  So, I'm going to chalk that one up to a
>> contentious matter of taste and leave as is.  We can have a debate at the
>> conference where the loser has to sing karaoke if need be.  I'm also
>> starting to think that all matters of dispute that are qualitative rather
>> than quantitative should be settled via karaoke battles.
>>
>> I'll admit to being the person who said they really like that page and am
>> happy to engage in debate. But I will NOT agree to doing karaoke if I lose.
>> I think we've done our bit to get out of singing karaoke for this
>> conference.
>>
>> Kathy
>>
>> On 04/12/2018 08:07 AM, Rogan Hamby wrote:
>>
>> 1.  Font issue should be fixed now thanks to xml editing.
>> 2.  Technically not but for reasons that matter to no one.  Regardless,
>> should look better now.
>> 3.  Yeah, I wondered how that much color and brightness would look to
>> folks.  It's an experiment. I've had other feedback that it's the favorite
>> part of the report to some others.  So, I'm going to chalk that one up to a
>> contentious matter of taste and leave as is.  We can have a debate at the
>> conference where the loser has to sing karaoke if need be.  I'm also
>> starting to think that all matters of dispute that are qualitative rather
>> than quantitative should be settled via karaoke battles.
>> 4.  I'm going to spare you my rant on how text box cloning _should_ work
>> and visually center them with the common 'y' character as a vertical
>> guide.  Let me know how it look in proof 4 when I send that out (shortly).
>> 5.  Thank you.  There are some stray pixel issues but I don't think
>> they'll be noticeable to anyone at scale when printed.  I enjoy spending
>> some time when I can on those kinds of bits and pieces.
>> 6. I thought it was cooler to be a verb than noun.  (joking aside, fixed)
>> 7. Interesting note, since in the layout program you have all these
>> border markers that you need for objects it makes it really hard to
>> visually identify centers on small objects which is why some layout
>> software give you relative object alignments to show you how the
>> centers/edges align are when you select an active object.  Tragically
>> that's not available here.  Also I can't actually center it because of how
>> it does overlapping objects of that size but I can do something else that
>> will create the same effect (first line offset). Good catch, thank you.
>>
>> Nitpicking is exactly what is needed, so thank you for it.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 3:14 PM, Ruth Frasur <
>> director at hagerstownlibrary.org> wrote:
>>
>>> My comments are as follows, and with deep recognition that you've been
>>> working a LOT and this makes me feel nit picky.
>>> 1.  There seem to be a lot of fonts.  I wouldn't say it's weirdness, but
>>> a lot.  Most notably, to my mind, are the two text areas on the last page.
>>> My eye expected them to be what seems to be the standard san serif font
>>> throughout, but it's not.
>>> 2.  The logo on the back page seems like it's a little close on the left
>>> hand side.
>>> 3.  On page 9, there are essentially 6 colors ranging from green-blue to
>>> fluorescent green.  That's a lot of green.  Grant, we're Evergreen.
>>> 4.  The headers on pages 7 & 8 are off.  The text seems too close to the
>>> horizontal edge.  On pg. 8, too close to the vertical edge.
>>> 5.  The Kentucky collage on pg. 6 is awesome.
>>> 6.  On the acknowledgements page, everyone else is a proofreader but I'm
>>> proofreading.
>>> 7.  On the center teal bar on the acknowledgements page, the white text
>>> is off vertical center.
>>>
>>> Enough nit picking for me.  I didn't notice any glaring grammatical or
>>> spelling errors.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Rogan Hamby <rogan.hamby at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> OK, clearly I missed my self imposed deadline of 2 pm.  There was
>>>> enough feedback that I couldn't get it all in plus the things I noticed.
>>>> But thanks to the wonders of modern technology and mobile hotspots on
>>>> phones I've continued to plug away at it.
>>>>
>>>> All of this is relevant because with my laptop screen but without
>>>> additional monitors so it's hard to jump between all the additional windows
>>>> to track font changes and such but I _think_ I've gotten the fonts
>>>> standardized.  Another pass will be needed.  If you still see font
>>>> weirdness please don't hesitate to say something.  How Scribus handles
>>>> fonts .... well, let's just say it's not intuitive.  I have unkind
>>>> adjectives in mind but it is at least consistent so I can work around it
>>>> even if it makes absolutely no sense why it's doing it in the first place.
>>>> And I'm thinking the manual editing of the XML I did at the beginning may
>>>> be needed again.  Anyway....
>>>>
>>>> I'm still finding some small layout tweaks.  You may notice them.  I
>>>> haven't logged them as everyone else has been so kind to do.
>>>>
>>>> Uh..... I have a lot of thoughts but time is short and I don't remember
>>>> most of them.  But I think all the changes are in.  I do however want to
>>>> highlight something that has been driving me nuts and that Andrea
>>>> mentioned: kerning.
>>>>
>>>> I think some of the text flows look ... not good.  Scribus does not
>>>> have smart kerning like InDesign or Quark or ... other modern commercial
>>>> software layout tools.  For the most part Scribus has been decent but when
>>>> it fails it really fails.  We could just justify everything to both sides
>>>> like a newspaper but that would look just as bad just different.  The thing
>>>> about kerning is that it's time consuming to do manually and small text
>>>> changes can make it all mute so I'm not going to tackle it until I feel
>>>> sure text changes aren't incoming and even then I'm not sure I'll have time
>>>> to really go through it all.
>>>>
>>>> That will be tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>>  Proofing copy 3 is attached.
>>>>
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>>> Library
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> Ruth Frasur
> Director of the Historic(ally Awesome) Hagerstown - Jefferson Township
> Library
> 10 W. College Street in Hagerstown, Indiana (47346)
> p (765) 489-5632; f (765) 489-5808
>
> *Our Kickin' Website <http://hagerstownlibrary.org>,  Our Rockin' Facebook
> Page <http://facebook.com/hjtplibrary>,  and The Nettle Creek Players
> <http://nettlecreekplayers.com>*
>
>
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> Kathy Lussier
> Project Coordinator
> Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative
> (508) 343-0128klussier at masslnc.org
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier
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