[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Motion to deactivate the "evergreen-admin" mailing list

[Ruth Frasur]

I've been weighing whether or not I had anything to add to this discussion
or not.  I've deleted several drafts, but finally I have something.  It's
this.  I agree with Kathy.  There are enough different people with
different preferences for communications.  I've never joined the admin list
because I wasn't really sure if it was for library admin (I'm that) or
system admin (I'm not that).

My question is - does it hurt anything to have it no matter how
active/inactive it is?  Does it cost anything?  Create any headaches?
Offend anyone's sensibilities?  Strike those last two.



On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Kathy Lussier <klussier at masslnc.org>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> What I would hate to see is an IRC vs. email discussion.
>
> The fact is, when people are asking for help, they're going to gravitate
> to the medium they are comfortable with. We get questions for help in IRC,
> on the mailing lists, and sometimes even in Launchpad questions or on the
> Evergreen Facebook page.
>
> The important thing is that we steer people, no matter what their
> preference, to the place where their questions are likely to be answered,
> and then that we do our best to help them out if we are able.
>
> +1 to the idea of making the dev list a "technical" discussion list to
> handle development, sys admin, or any other technical discussions.
>
> Kathy
>
>
>
>
> On 01/15/2015 01:31 PM, Lazar, Alexey Vladimirovich wrote:
>
>> On 2015-01-14, at 14:18 , Michael Peters <mpeters at emeralddata.net> wrote:
>>
>>  Just my 2 cents, but I've always felt IRC was the best place to reach
>>> other
>>> sys-admins for advice.  I can't recall ever posting to the mailing list
>>> about a system administration issue.  I know there are so many active
>>> sys-admins on the IRC that I think the response is likely to be quicker
>>> there.
>>>
>>> I'm also more apt to answer a question I see in IRC.  I'm not sure I'm
>>> even
>>> subscribed to anything other than Dev and General.
>>>
>> A problem with IRC is that if no one happens to respond near the time
>> after the question is asked, the IRC keeps rolling on and the question gets
>> lost. If working in a different time zone, or during non-1st-shift hours,
>> the chances of not being heard are high.
>>
>> With the mailing list, a new message from a list has a slim chance of
>> being unseen.
>>
>> Personally to me, it’s also a bit ironic that the topic of IRC came up in
>> the context of yet another discussion about the existence of
>> evergreen-admin list. That IRC meeting about setting up the list was about
>> my first time using the IRC for Evergreen, and it was not a pleasant
>> experience. I don’t recall all the details, but my general takeaway was
>> that by the time I was done typing up a response, several posts would
>> either modify the original premise or move the topic along to something
>> else. To counter that effect, when I tried to be brief and fast things did
>> not always come out sounding the way I intended. I had similar experiences
>> when participating in other types meetings on IRC. Based on my personal
>> subjective experience, my view is that the IRC is not a good channel for
>> meaningful discussion.
>>
>>  Michael Peters
>>> Senior Systems Analyst
>>> Emerald Data Networks, Inc.
>>> Phone: 678.302.3000 x1013
>>> Help Desk: 678.302.3000 x1500
>>> www.emeralddata.net
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: open-ils-general-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org
>>> [mailto:open-ils-general-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Galen Charlton
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 12:43 PM
>>> To: Evergreen Discussion Group
>>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Motion to deactivate the
>>> "evergreen-admin"
>>> mailing list
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Chris Sharp <
>>> csharp at georgialibraries.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In my view, the Evergreen-Admin list duplicates the purpose of this,
>>>> the General list, in that the General list serves as an all-purpose
>>>> venue for (non-development related) technical help in running
>>>> Evergreen.  If you agree, please +1, otherwise, please state your case
>>>> for keeping it. ;-)
>>>>
>>> 0.
>>>
>>> A dedicated list for Evergreen sysadmins could work in principle, but of
>>> course requires that folks actually answer questions posted to it.
>>> Since the list was created, there's been long periods where it has been
>>> mostly ignored, either passively or actively, and I think it long ago
>>> reached the point where reluctance to use it has self-fulfilled a
>>> prophecy
>>> that it would not be used.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Galen
>>> --
>>> Galen Charlton
>>> Manager of Implementation
>>> Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts
>>> email:  gmc at esilibrary.com
>>> direct: +1 770-709-5581
>>> cell:   +1 404-984-4366
>>> skype:  gmcharlt
>>> web:    http://www.esilibrary.com/
>>> Supporting Koha and Evergreen: http://koha-community.org &
>>> http://evergreen-ils.org
>>>
>> Aleksey Lazar
>> IS Developer and Integrator - PALS
>> http://www.mnpals.org/
>>
>>
> --
> Kathy Lussier
> Project Coordinator
> Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative
> (508) 343-0128
> klussier at masslnc.org
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier
>
>


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