[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Motion to deactivate the "evergreen-admin" mailing list

Fri Jan 16 11:38:12 EST 2015

Totally fair and thanks for the explanation.

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Grace Dunbar <gdunbar at esilibrary.com>
wrote:

> I am in agreement with Kathy on this as well.
>
> To respond to Ruth's question of "...does it hurt anything to have it no
> matter how active/inactive it is?  Does it cost anything?"
> I think the issue is that perhaps some of our most experienced community
> members feel that they are subscribed to a generous amount of Evergreen
> specific lists already.  I know for a fact that some of our best resources
> chose not to subscribe to that list  - perhaps because they felt it was
> redundant, I can't say.  So, there is a risk of "hurting" people in the
> sense that they may not get their questions answered well or expediently
> via the sys admin mailing list and that will lead them to believe we just
> don't care.  And I like to believe that we care quite a lot.  So, I'm a +1
> for making the dev list more of a technical list which can be inclusive of
> sys admins and concentrating our knowledge/skills there.
>
> Of course, that's just my $.02.
> :)
>
> Grace
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Ruth Frasur <
> director at hagerstownlibrary.org> wrote:
>
>> I've been weighing whether or not I had anything to add to this
>> discussion or not.  I've deleted several drafts, but finally I have
>> something.  It's this.  I agree with Kathy.  There are enough different
>> people with different preferences for communications.  I've never joined
>> the admin list because I wasn't really sure if it was for library admin
>> (I'm that) or system admin (I'm not that).
>>
>> My question is - does it hurt anything to have it no matter how
>> active/inactive it is?  Does it cost anything?  Create any headaches?
>> Offend anyone's sensibilities?  Strike those last two.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Kathy Lussier <klussier at masslnc.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> What I would hate to see is an IRC vs. email discussion.
>>>
>>> The fact is, when people are asking for help, they're going to gravitate
>>> to the medium they are comfortable with. We get questions for help in IRC,
>>> on the mailing lists, and sometimes even in Launchpad questions or on the
>>> Evergreen Facebook page.
>>>
>>> The important thing is that we steer people, no matter what their
>>> preference, to the place where their questions are likely to be answered,
>>> and then that we do our best to help them out if we are able.
>>>
>>> +1 to the idea of making the dev list a "technical" discussion list to
>>> handle development, sys admin, or any other technical discussions.
>>>
>>> Kathy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 01/15/2015 01:31 PM, Lazar, Alexey Vladimirovich wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2015-01-14, at 14:18 , Michael Peters <mpeters at emeralddata.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Just my 2 cents, but I've always felt IRC was the best place to reach
>>>>> other
>>>>> sys-admins for advice.  I can't recall ever posting to the mailing list
>>>>> about a system administration issue.  I know there are so many active
>>>>> sys-admins on the IRC that I think the response is likely to be quicker
>>>>> there.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm also more apt to answer a question I see in IRC.  I'm not sure I'm
>>>>> even
>>>>> subscribed to anything other than Dev and General.
>>>>>
>>>> A problem with IRC is that if no one happens to respond near the time
>>>> after the question is asked, the IRC keeps rolling on and the question gets
>>>> lost. If working in a different time zone, or during non-1st-shift hours,
>>>> the chances of not being heard are high.
>>>>
>>>> With the mailing list, a new message from a list has a slim chance of
>>>> being unseen.
>>>>
>>>> Personally to me, it’s also a bit ironic that the topic of IRC came up
>>>> in the context of yet another discussion about the existence of
>>>> evergreen-admin list. That IRC meeting about setting up the list was about
>>>> my first time using the IRC for Evergreen, and it was not a pleasant
>>>> experience. I don’t recall all the details, but my general takeaway was
>>>> that by the time I was done typing up a response, several posts would
>>>> either modify the original premise or move the topic along to something
>>>> else. To counter that effect, when I tried to be brief and fast things did
>>>> not always come out sounding the way I intended. I had similar experiences
>>>> when participating in other types meetings on IRC. Based on my personal
>>>> subjective experience, my view is that the IRC is not a good channel for
>>>> meaningful discussion.
>>>>
>>>>  Michael Peters
>>>>> Senior Systems Analyst
>>>>> Emerald Data Networks, Inc.
>>>>> Phone: 678.302.3000 x1013
>>>>> Help Desk: 678.302.3000 x1500
>>>>> www.emeralddata.net
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: open-ils-general-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org
>>>>> [mailto:open-ils-general-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf
>>>>> Of
>>>>> Galen Charlton
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 12:43 PM
>>>>> To: Evergreen Discussion Group
>>>>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Motion to deactivate the
>>>>> "evergreen-admin"
>>>>> mailing list
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Chris Sharp <
>>>>> csharp at georgialibraries.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In my view, the Evergreen-Admin list duplicates the purpose of this,
>>>>>> the General list, in that the General list serves as an all-purpose
>>>>>> venue for (non-development related) technical help in running
>>>>>> Evergreen.  If you agree, please +1, otherwise, please state your case
>>>>>> for keeping it. ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>> 0.
>>>>>
>>>>> A dedicated list for Evergreen sysadmins could work in principle, but
>>>>> of
>>>>> course requires that folks actually answer questions posted to it.
>>>>> Since the list was created, there's been long periods where it has been
>>>>> mostly ignored, either passively or actively, and I think it long ago
>>>>> reached the point where reluctance to use it has self-fulfilled a
>>>>> prophecy
>>>>> that it would not be used.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Galen
>>>>> --
>>>>> Galen Charlton
>>>>> Manager of Implementation
>>>>> Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts
>>>>> email:  gmc at esilibrary.com
>>>>> direct: +1 770-709-5581
>>>>> cell:   +1 404-984-4366
>>>>> skype:  gmcharlt
>>>>> web:    http://www.esilibrary.com/
>>>>> Supporting Koha and Evergreen: http://koha-community.org &
>>>>> http://evergreen-ils.org
>>>>>
>>>> Aleksey Lazar
>>>> IS Developer and Integrator - PALS
>>>> http://www.mnpals.org/
>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Kathy Lussier
>>> Project Coordinator
>>> Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative
>>> (508) 343-0128
>>> klussier at masslnc.org
>>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ruth Frasur
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>> Library
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>
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