[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Motion to deactivate the "evergreen-admin" mailing list

Fri Jan 16 11:48:08 EST 2015

I think IRC and email are fundamentally different things and I don't think
a one vs other is a useful discussion.  FWIW I've seen many productive and
really engaged conversations in IRC that I have trouble imagining happening
via email without that immediacy.

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Ruth Frasur <
director at hagerstownlibrary.org> wrote:

> Totally fair and thanks for the explanation.
>
> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Grace Dunbar <gdunbar at esilibrary.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I am in agreement with Kathy on this as well.
>>
>> To respond to Ruth's question of "...does it hurt anything to have it no
>> matter how active/inactive it is?  Does it cost anything?"
>> I think the issue is that perhaps some of our most experienced community
>> members feel that they are subscribed to a generous amount of Evergreen
>> specific lists already.  I know for a fact that some of our best resources
>> chose not to subscribe to that list  - perhaps because they felt it was
>> redundant, I can't say.  So, there is a risk of "hurting" people in the
>> sense that they may not get their questions answered well or expediently
>> via the sys admin mailing list and that will lead them to believe we just
>> don't care.  And I like to believe that we care quite a lot.  So, I'm a +1
>> for making the dev list more of a technical list which can be inclusive of
>> sys admins and concentrating our knowledge/skills there.
>>
>> Of course, that's just my $.02.
>> :)
>>
>> Grace
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Ruth Frasur <
>> director at hagerstownlibrary.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I've been weighing whether or not I had anything to add to this
>>> discussion or not.  I've deleted several drafts, but finally I have
>>> something.  It's this.  I agree with Kathy.  There are enough different
>>> people with different preferences for communications.  I've never joined
>>> the admin list because I wasn't really sure if it was for library admin
>>> (I'm that) or system admin (I'm not that).
>>>
>>> My question is - does it hurt anything to have it no matter how
>>> active/inactive it is?  Does it cost anything?  Create any headaches?
>>> Offend anyone's sensibilities?  Strike those last two.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Kathy Lussier <klussier at masslnc.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> What I would hate to see is an IRC vs. email discussion.
>>>>
>>>> The fact is, when people are asking for help, they're going to
>>>> gravitate to the medium they are comfortable with. We get questions for
>>>> help in IRC, on the mailing lists, and sometimes even in Launchpad
>>>> questions or on the Evergreen Facebook page.
>>>>
>>>> The important thing is that we steer people, no matter what their
>>>> preference, to the place where their questions are likely to be answered,
>>>> and then that we do our best to help them out if we are able.
>>>>
>>>> +1 to the idea of making the dev list a "technical" discussion list to
>>>> handle development, sys admin, or any other technical discussions.
>>>>
>>>> Kathy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 01/15/2015 01:31 PM, Lazar, Alexey Vladimirovich wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2015-01-14, at 14:18 , Michael Peters <mpeters at emeralddata.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Just my 2 cents, but I've always felt IRC was the best place to reach
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> sys-admins for advice.  I can't recall ever posting to the mailing
>>>>>> list
>>>>>> about a system administration issue.  I know there are so many active
>>>>>> sys-admins on the IRC that I think the response is likely to be
>>>>>> quicker
>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm also more apt to answer a question I see in IRC.  I'm not sure
>>>>>> I'm even
>>>>>> subscribed to anything other than Dev and General.
>>>>>>
>>>>> A problem with IRC is that if no one happens to respond near the time
>>>>> after the question is asked, the IRC keeps rolling on and the question gets
>>>>> lost. If working in a different time zone, or during non-1st-shift hours,
>>>>> the chances of not being heard are high.
>>>>>
>>>>> With the mailing list, a new message from a list has a slim chance of
>>>>> being unseen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally to me, it’s also a bit ironic that the topic of IRC came up
>>>>> in the context of yet another discussion about the existence of
>>>>> evergreen-admin list. That IRC meeting about setting up the list was about
>>>>> my first time using the IRC for Evergreen, and it was not a pleasant
>>>>> experience. I don’t recall all the details, but my general takeaway was
>>>>> that by the time I was done typing up a response, several posts would
>>>>> either modify the original premise or move the topic along to something
>>>>> else. To counter that effect, when I tried to be brief and fast things did
>>>>> not always come out sounding the way I intended. I had similar experiences
>>>>> when participating in other types meetings on IRC. Based on my personal
>>>>> subjective experience, my view is that the IRC is not a good channel for
>>>>> meaningful discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Michael Peters
>>>>>> Senior Systems Analyst
>>>>>> Emerald Data Networks, Inc.
>>>>>> Phone: 678.302.3000 x1013
>>>>>> Help Desk: 678.302.3000 x1500
>>>>>> www.emeralddata.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: open-ils-general-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org
>>>>>> [mailto:open-ils-general-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>>> Galen Charlton
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 12:43 PM
>>>>>> To: Evergreen Discussion Group
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Motion to deactivate the
>>>>>> "evergreen-admin"
>>>>>> mailing list
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Chris Sharp <
>>>>>> csharp at georgialibraries.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In my view, the Evergreen-Admin list duplicates the purpose of this,
>>>>>>> the General list, in that the General list serves as an all-purpose
>>>>>>> venue for (non-development related) technical help in running
>>>>>>> Evergreen.  If you agree, please +1, otherwise, please state your
>>>>>>> case
>>>>>>> for keeping it. ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> 0.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A dedicated list for Evergreen sysadmins could work in principle, but
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> course requires that folks actually answer questions posted to it.
>>>>>> Since the list was created, there's been long periods where it has
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> mostly ignored, either passively or actively, and I think it long ago
>>>>>> reached the point where reluctance to use it has self-fulfilled a
>>>>>> prophecy
>>>>>> that it would not be used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Galen
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Galen Charlton
>>>>>> Manager of Implementation
>>>>>> Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts
>>>>>> email:  gmc at esilibrary.com
>>>>>> direct: +1 770-709-5581
>>>>>> cell:   +1 404-984-4366
>>>>>> skype:  gmcharlt
>>>>>> web:    http://www.esilibrary.com/
>>>>>> Supporting Koha and Evergreen: http://koha-community.org &
>>>>>> http://evergreen-ils.org
>>>>>>
>>>>> Aleksey Lazar
>>>>> IS Developer and Integrator - PALS
>>>>> http://www.mnpals.org/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Kathy Lussier
>>>> Project Coordinator
>>>> Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative
>>>> (508) 343-0128
>>>> klussier at masslnc.org
>>>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ruth Frasur
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>>> Library
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Grace Dunbar, Vice President
>> Equinox Software, Inc.  -  The Open Source Experts
>> gdunbar at esilibrary.com
>> 1-877-OPEN-ILS    www.esilibrary.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Ruth Frasur
> Director of the Historic(ally Awesome) Hagerstown - Jefferson Township
> Library
> 10 W. College Street in Hagerstown, Indiana (47346)
> p (765) 489-5632; f (765) 489-5808
>
> Our Kickin' Website <http://hagerstownlibrary.org>  Our Rockin' Facebook
> Page <http://facebook.com/hjtplibrary>  and Stuff I'm Reading
> <http://pinterest.com/hjtplibrary/ruth-reads/>
>
>

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