[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?

[Rogan Hamby]

It does still require Linux skills as it's a virtual machine whether he has
that skill set or is willing to invest the time to learn it is a
pre-requisite, something I wouldn't assume from the question.

On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Mark Ehle <markehle at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ben did say he was decently tech savvy and asked for a way to run
> Evergreen on a pc. VirtualBox fits the bill.
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 12:08 PM, McCanna, Terran <
> tmccanna at georgialibraries.org> wrote:
>
>> Regardless of whether it's feasible in a Windows VM environment or not, I
>> really think that Evergreen is too complicated to set up and maintain for
>> someone who doesn't have a strong skillset in system administration. A
>> hosted ILS would be a better option, but a lot of tiny libraries can't
>> afford that either.
>>
>> Personally, if I were in Ben's position, I would investigate some of the
>> library automation system offerings that are designed specifically for
>> small libraries. Does anyone have any experience with Surpass? I haven't
>> used it, but it looks like it was designed for tiny libraries (less than
>> 5000 items) and has a standalone license option for running on a single
>> non-networked PC: http://www.surpasssoftware.com/surpass-sl.html.
>>
>>
>> Terran McCanna
>> PINES Program Manager
>> Georgia Public Library Service
>> 1800 Century Place, Suite 150
>> Atlanta, GA 30345
>> 404-235-7138
>> tmccanna at georgialibraries.org
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mark Ehle" <markehle at gmail.com>
>> To: "Evergreen Discussion Group" <
>> open-ils-general at list.georgialibraries.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 11:26:53 AM
>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?
>>
>> We ran everything in VirtualBox for a long time. Is it the PC hardware you
>> object to? Or just VM's in general.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Mark Ehle <markehle at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > When you have quad-core PC's with 8gb of ram, the difference is not that
>> > much. I've run production VM's on my PC in a pinch and our staff never
>> > knew.
>> >
>> > What do you suggest Ben does?
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Rogan Hamby <
>> rogan.hamby at yclibrary.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Mark,
>> >>
>> >> There is a big difference between running a production system on a
>> >> desktop VM and playing with it.  Running Evergreen in Virtual Box is
>> common
>> >> for developers, documenters, etc....
>> >>
>> >> And it's important for those who don't have a systems background that a
>> >> VM in a server environment and throwing up a VM on a desktop with
>> limited
>> >> resources are very different things.
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Mark Ehle <markehle at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Not at all dubious, Rogan. We run Sirsi Symphony as a VM and have been
>> >>> for years. We pretty much don't run our servers on anything else *but*
>> >>> VM's. It's just how things are done now. I've run Evergreen in
>> Virtual Box
>> >>> (totally free) on my PC to play with it and it works just fine. Given
>> a
>> >>> decent enough PC,mainly enough memory, I'm sure you could run
>> Evergreen on
>> >>> a VM for a few clients for a small library.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Rogan Hamby <
>> rogan.hamby at yclibrary.net
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Hi Ben,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> This was alluded to but to be clear, Evergreen isn't Windows
>> software.
>> >>>> Evergreen was built to run on Linux and is commonly run on Debian
>> though I
>> >>>> know it's used successfully on other distributions as well.
>> Honestly, as
>> >>>> much as I love to spread the love of Evergreen from what I can infer
>> from
>> >>>> your post I don't think this would be the right direction for you.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Running a production system on a VM is dubious though possible but
>> then
>> >>>> connecting clients, doing the configuration, etc... these are going
>> to
>> >>>> require a big investment of time and energy on the part of staff.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 6:25 PM, Ben T. <t.ben38 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Hello All,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I volunteer for a tiny library that is growing.  At this point we're
>> >>>>> looking for a way to manage our check-outs/returns some way more
>> efficient
>> >>>>> than paper and pencil.  Evergreen seems like it could be a good
>> solution
>> >>>>> for us, however we are not able to afford a server at this point
>> nor a
>> >>>>> subscription (we basically have no money).  Is there any way
>> (hopefully a
>> >>>>> simple one) to run Evergreen just on a single Windows (7) machine,
>> keeping
>> >>>>> the catalog and patron information locally?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Sincerely,
>> >>>>> Ben
>> >>>>> Librarian Volunteer
>> >>>>> Kendall Clawson Library
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> p.s. I am decently tech savvy, but not VERY tech savvy.  I won't be
>> >>>>> able to do any major amount of coding on my own.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA
>> >>>> Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services,
>> >>>> York County Library System
>> >>>>
>> >>>> “You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to
>> >>>> suit me.”
>> >>>> ― C.S. Lewis <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/1069006.C_S_Lewis
>> >
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA
>> >> Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services,
>> >> York County Library System
>> >>
>> >> “You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to
>> >> suit me.”
>> >> ― C.S. Lewis <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/1069006.C_S_Lewis>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>


-- 

Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA
Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services,
York County Library System

“You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to suit
me.”
― C.S. Lewis <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/1069006.C_S_Lewis>
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