[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Duplicate entry in authors.tt2 (is this bug 958954?)

[Janet Schrader]

Comment on point b: Properly for me would be to display multiple ones separated by commas.

Comment on point c: Without a code or term how would the system recognize the relationship between the 7xx field and the item described?  Not all 7xx fields for a music recording are added artists except in the broadest sense, some may be arranger, composer, musician, performer, producer.

Comment on point d:  Relator codes and terms came from two different cataloging rules. I think it unlikely that the same 7xx field would have a combination of the two. I prefer ‘4’ with the codes but none of the RDA records I’ve imported into my system use ‘4’ and I don’t have the time to replace the ‘e’s.

Elaine, aren’t the RDA terms controlled vocabulary? We haven’t started using RDA yet so I’m not sure but I thought they were.




Janet

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From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Hardy, Elaine
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 12:03 PM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Duplicate entry in authors.tt2 (is this bug 958954?)

It is my understanding that, under RDA, relator terms (|e) should be the controlled values that can be coded in |4 (http://www.loc.gov/marc/relators/relaterm.html). However, records cataloged using AACR2, the |e would not necessarily have been a controlled term, or at least, not a the current controlled terms (|e ill. vs |e Illustrator, for example).

So, I think Dan’s point for the relator code to take precedence is a good one since our bib databases will contain a mixture of RDA and AACR2 (and previous rules!!) records for a long time to come.


Elaine

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From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Dan Scott
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 10:57 AM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Duplicate entry in authors.tt2 (is this bug 958954?)

It sounds like there are a few issues here, let me see if I can separate them out:
a) bug: relator term $e is not being recognized as the relator, but is included in the text display along with parenthetical notation for the default relationship (e.g. 700 = (added author))
b) bug: multiple $4 relator codes are not displayed properly, where "properly" might mean something like "$700 $a White, Jack $4 cre $4 dir" should be displayed as "White, Jack (creator, director)"
c) bug: the default relationship of "added author" for 7xx fields when no relator code or term is specified needs to reflect the underlying item type (e.g. for a musical recording, should display something like "Added artist")
d) discussion issue: when both $e relator terms and $4 relator codes are included in the same field, it's not clear what to display
e) (unknown if this is an issue, but "probably") $e relator terms and $4 relator codes may or may not be indexed as expected

For my part on (d), I'm still firmly of the belief that $4 relator code should take precedence; it's value can easily be translated in the display (and is, for French) and can be used for linked data (like pointing to http://id.loc.gov/vocabulary/relators/dtc), whereas the $e relator terms are effectively uncontrolled text fields that make both translation and linked data much, much more difficult.

Dan

On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Hardy, Elaine <ehardy at georgialibraries.org<mailto:ehardy at georgialibraries.org>> wrote:
+1


Elaine

J. Elaine Hardy
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From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org<mailto:open-ils-general-bounces at list.georgialibraries.org>] On Behalf Of Sarah Childs
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 4:51 PM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Duplicate entry in authors.tt2 (is this bug 958954?)

A summary of what I propose:
If no subfield e or 4, no term should be displayed.
Display subfield e if present
Display terms based on codes in subfield 4 if present
If both subfield e or 4 are present, display one or the other. (Either is fine with me)




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